High Battery Drain During Suspend (Windows edition)

[Banana]

@Be_Far that seems to have worked for me to prevent it from overheating and fans turning on.

I’m still not getting proper sleep though, and the culprit is the audio controller. Did anyone find a proper solution to this?

[Banana]

Update:
Not sure if any of these issues are framework specific, but documenting anyway for anyone in the future.

• Disabling Fx Sound removed the Intel SST problem (so far) and reduced power consumption to about a third
• There was a weird temporary issue with find my device, only happened once
• Quitting Phone link reduced power usage by ~20%, but it’s not something I’d want to do regularly.
• Main culprit now is the C10.Unkown, which I believe some people mentioned earlier

I’ve managed to get it down to about 2%/hour, down from 12%/hour, which is acceptable. If anyone has any advice about C10 let me know.

[Shiroudan]

Yup, both phone link and FxSound are horrible for battery…

[Be_Far]

@Banana

Disabling Fx Sound removed the Intel SST problem (so far) and reduced power

Ooh, thanks for this! I’ll test and report back.

@Banana

Quitting Phone link reduced power usage by ~20%, but it’s not something I’d want to do regularly.

Phone Link is notoriously power hungry, I use KDE Connect’s windows build to get around that. All of the clipboard-sharing and media functionality, significantly less battery usage.

[2disbetter]

@Banana

Disabling Fx Sound removed the Intel SST problem (so far) and reduced power consumption to about a third

Out of curiosity, but how does one go about doing this? Is it a service, and if so what is the name, etc.

[Banana]

@2disbetter

Out of curiosity, but how does one go about doing this? Is it a service, and if so what is the name, etc.

It’s a popular third party app some of us had, not a windows service. I just stopped using it.

[elite_kzm]

Win 10
11th gen
USB-A, HDMI (modded & flashed w/ experimental FW), USB-C, SD Card Reader
Latest BIOS & Driver Package installed

With nothing plugged into the expansion cards, I will put my laptop to sleep before bed, and my laptop will subsequently drain down to nearly zero by the time I wake up.

Sleep study seems to suggest various USB things are the culprit:

This doesn’t make any sense, though. Nothing is plugged in except the expansion cards. The same problem occurs even with the HDMI expansion removed. Can someone help me understand what is going on here?

Thank you.

[amoun]

The laptop should go to hibernate after a drop of say 20 5%

Edited above text

If you use sleep you will run the battery down, see above

[elite_kzm]

I’m not seeing such an option. Only S0 states are available.

I did skim this thread previously but was unable to identify an obvious or relevant solution, but there are also hundreds of posts/replies so it’s a little hard to parse useful or relevant details.

This is all especially strange considering that when I had a MBP for work, I could leave that thing asleep over 3 day weekends and it would still have juice when I’d go back to work. Unsure how Windows compares in that department though (I assume not particularly well).

Appreciate any help.

[amoun]

[quote=“2disbetter, post:82, topic:4421, full:true”]
so the official answer there is No. S3 is not supported under Tiger Lake, and and S0 is what we have to work with.
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Yes the default S0

Now search for hibernate in this topic

e.g.

High Battery Drain During Suspend (Windows edition)

If you run powercfg /a from a command prompt, what sleep states are available?

High Battery Drain During Suspend (Windows edition)

I’d prefer to have S3, but Intel removed S3 from Tiger Lake. The Modern Standby to hibernate behavior is nice in theory, but I’d feel uncomfortable using it unless it’s demonstrated to be rock solid reliable so the laptop doesn’t turn on while in a bag. Not a knock against the Framework team though, even Dell and Lenovo seem to be struggling with getting Modern Standby working 100% perfectly on their 11th gen laptops.

High Battery Drain During Suspend (Windows edition)

@feesh the audio controller should shutdown in modern standby unless you put the system in modern standby with an application that is playing/recording music. One of the “features” of modern standby is your system can continue to play music while in standby, however it will keep the CPU from going into deep sleep states to service the HDA codec audio buffers. I suspect you put your system to sleep with an application that was doing some playback/recording and noticed this. We have tested moder…

High Battery Drain During Suspend (Windows edition)

For me, resume from S3 takes longer (12-13s) than from hibernate (10s), defeating the purpose. As seen from early in this thread, other laptops drain a fraction of the power in s0ix vs. Framework. There is still a lot of room for FW-specific improvement.

[Jason_Dagless]

Why not just switch it off fully? With NVMe is only takes a few seconds to boot. Much quicker than having a flat battery in the morning.

BIOS battery permitting it will still boot up a week later.

[elite_kzm]

Yeah, I suppose I could just shut it off… but feels like I shouldn’t have to. It’s also a little annoying having to wait for everything to open back up from a cold reboot.

Enabling Hibernation made it “only” run down to 50% instead of 0, which is better, but still disappointing.

[amoun]

@elite_kzm

Enabling Hibernation made it “only” run down to 50%

My hibernate doesn’t loose 1% over 24 hours so something in your set up is draining.

Windows 11 on Gen 11

[Michael_Lavery]

Running dual-boot with Linux and Windows. Linux sleep is fine but windows modern standby is draining my battery to zero overnight. ~4 watts on sleep. Here is the sleep study. I’ve reset my Windows recovery utility and installed the driver bundle.
It seems to be stuck on a higher level of PCIE power usage.
Someone on Reddit seems to say the NVME is stuck in s2idle but that should be a Linux thing?

[waterwheels]

Hello, I’m also getting the high battery drain during sleep issue, my framework is 13th gen intel i7-1360P. I get the issue even with only a usb-c expansion card in.
Running a sleep study reveals the offending devices:

Unregistered Device   \_SB.PC00.TDM0 - Fx Device    - 100%
Unregistered Device   \_SB.PC00.TDM1 - Fx Device    - 100%
Device not registered                - PEP Pre-Veto -  97%

I have tried to google how to use these address-looking names to work out which device they might be in Device Manager, but I haven’t been able to work it out. I do have three devices in Device Manager with the little ‘no compatible drivers’ sign. They are:

• PCI Data Acquisition and Signal Processing Controller
• Universal Serial Bus (USB) Controller
• Universal Serial Bus (USB) Controller

Which sorta line up with the look of those addresses. How could I work out what devices are draining power during sleep? Why does my laptop not have drivers for usb controllers— those are Important (though usb does work).

Thanks for any help, I am a bit new to the windows back end

EDIT:
I found the connection! The sleep study path \_SB.PC00.TDM0 is equivalent to the Device Manager property “location paths” that looks like ACPI(_SB_)#ACPI(PC00)#ACPI(TDM0)
This means that two of the problem devices correspond to the usb hubs listed as missing drivers in the Device Manager, although the third is unknown, since the sleep study lists no path, I can’t be sure it’s the data acquisition whatever.
Not sure where to go from here though; I have installed the framework driver pack (twice). Maybe disabling one of the hubs in Device Manager and seeing what effect that has? Is it possible that would turn of usb and make me unable to turn it back on?

[waterwheels]

Disabling the devices in device manager had no effect on sleep power usage. I did a bit of searching around and I found some folks with other devices that were missing some intel drivers, but they all seemed to be using server hardware or “NUCs”

[SirBapkins]

Sorry for the TL:DR request, but was this solved? My 11th Gen Intel Framework 13" has some serious drain problems, even when I shut it down completely. It will go from 100% to 0% in a matter of days. I almost never have any charge on it when I pull it out of my backpack.

[Banana]

@SirBapkins this thread is for suspend, if you FW is draining while fully shut down, that seems to be a different, and honestly more concerning problem. None of the problems here should be affecting you

[Banana]

Aside from the usual audio driver, I’ve also started seeing this Intel(R) PEG60 - 9A09 (_SB.PC00.PEG0)

Couldn’t find much advice online. Anyone else seen this?

[bannus]

Yeah, I see this on my machine, a few others have reported it too:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/framework/comments/15xoqzb/comment/jx84i3f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
• High Battery Drain During Suspend (Windows edition) - #149 by Enjewneer
• Windows 11 sleep issues

I have a WD SN850, which one of these people is also using. My /sleepstudy results typically show ~1600mW during sleep, which burns through 5% battery in about an hour before going into hibernate.