How will you use your Framework Laptop 16?

I totally agree and I’m excited for the FW16 to be that replacement for me! I unfortunately don’t have disposal income like I did before wife and kids so upgrading a desktop over time and replacing a laptop every few years isn’t feasible. Having a mobile computer is a requirement so I won’t be upgrading my desktop anymore. I like that I’ll still have the upgrade-ability with the FW16 rather than having to replace the laptop every few years.

The experience is definitely important. One thing I’ve liked about my laptop over my desktop is that everything seems to just work together. Hopefully we’ll still have that with the FW16 while still having the option to customize and upgrade it.

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for real. realizing i can happily play games at 720p at modest framerates and still have a great time was a wake-up call for how i approach gaming for me and a few other folks i know.

that would be amazing, but i’ll happily settle for compatible (inc. jedec config achieving advertised speeds w/o xmp) 2x48 kits being easily obtained through not-sketchy vendors.

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I half totally agree with you, et al. The Steam Deck showed me that there are some games I’ll find fun on any screen and any frame rate, but there are some that if I can’t play them on my desktop, I’d rather not play them at all. For that reason, I have little to no intention of gaming on my FW16 because if I’m willing to compromise on screen size, I’d rather just use my much more convenient Steam Deck.

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i 100% respect that, but ironically i’m concerned the FW16 screen will be too big for me. it DEFINITELY is too high resolution for my old lady eyes XD. i do wish it was 1920x1200 instead so i don’t have to deal with scaling issues (i guess i can run it at 1280x800? not ideal, but viable. ish.). i wonder if we’ll be able to substitute the screen aftermarket?

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For gaming? Yeah, that too for sure. If I’m doing the math right, I estimate the pixel pitch at full resolution to be 189ppi which is only slightly better than a Steam Deck (210ppi), and more than double what my desktop monitor offers (92ppi). So even with that big screen, yeah my nose would still be right up in it trying to find my opponents!

Great work resolution though. I think I’m gonna really enjoy it for that.

Fellow dev? Language of choice? And spaces or tabs?

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Yes, however don’t start that argument xD

C#, as that’s what I learned at my job.
I do want to learn Rust, as I really enjoy compile time safety and therefore extensively use generics in C#. Also, the traits and list APIs seem to be fairly similar to how C# works.

The other question: spaces created by pressing tab.
But I do get the appeal of tabs, as you can change indentation level just for yourself.
I’m very used to 4 spaces, but 2 might sometimes be better when you’re in deep (but maybe just don’t indent that far?).

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I really need to learn C#, since I’m hoping to transition out of a SDET/web dev role into gaming development, with the goal of getting into a smaller studio. But you’re right about deep indentation, since that can create some really nasty problems when debugging.

This is the way. And if you need to save space via 2 space indenting, you’ve nested too far and should reconsider why you’re where you are.

Also a software Engineer/Data Scientist here. I’m working on a novel + small indie game set in the same universe with my free time. I’m not sure I’d transition into the game dev scene for my day job though, the best I can tell it’s generally not a an enjoyable work environment. So I do my own thing on my own time.

That’s why I’m looking for a smaller studio with less pressure. I’ve heard…things from friends in the industry who worked at places like Ubisoft, and they weren’t very good.

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Yeah. I started a game engineering course at uni, however I quit a few months later mostly because of that and some other reasons. The other big reason was that I already know programming from my previous apprenticeship, so it’d have taken a while to get to the juicy part, while I’d have to endure all the creative stuff.
(Also, the current laptop I have kinda sucks and I’m still waiting for my B5 to arrive, but that was barely a minor reason.)

I’m going to start computer science this year. If I do ever want to go back to game dev I think I’ll be able to by creating a okay-ish portfolio in my free time and going from there.
Not sure about the future though - I’d love to get into VR dev, but I’ll have to see.
I’d like to write a VR compositor for Linux, that could be an interesting project ^^

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Good luck, sir (or ma’am)! If you end up trying to write that VR compositor (compiler?), put it up on GitHub so we can contribute. I’d love to try and tackle that!

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Compositor as in window manager and stuff in VR.
Valve is supposed to release a standalone VR headset running Linux within the next few years (hopefully sooner than later), according to SadlyIt’sBradley. Also, there’s SimulaVR which are creating their window manager with Godot and Haskell. However, imo Rust might be better suited for this kind of software, so I might give it a shot in the future.
Not sure if it’ll ever be more than a toy project, though.

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here have an esolang by eso, the language of choice for eso.

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I respectfully suggest that the mods merge this thread with my earlier thread on this topic How will you use your Framework Laptop 16?

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Damn. This is neat.

but useless atm XD

i poke at it at high energy spans (not that i’ve had one lately), but i got kinda hung up on i/o semantics. i’m like, 3 design pieces short of it being able to do real work, at which point i get to try to write a compiler in it (instead of just the bare-bones c hosted one), which will actually be the real fun.

It will be my daily driver, both personal and work (computer engineer).

My last personal laptop is a XPS 13 from 2016 that can’t hold charge any more…
I’m usually on the work laptop, current one is a 2020 MBP which:

  • holds barely one hour on moderate use
  • doesn’t have near enough memory to support my needs: 32 GB, I usually end up with 16 GB of swap => I went for 64 GB
  • can’t support to have Google Meet and my IDE open: if I do both at once, the text in editors refreshes once every 3 seconds => an absolute nightmare for pair programming

Asked for a refresh, IT said not until 1 or 2 years => it will collect dust while I’ll enjoy running NixOS on my shiny new FW16 ^^

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Look, man, that’s better than pretty much anything I’ve done in my career to date. So far I’ve only written (way too many) lines of C for some rockets. I’d love to be able to write my own language to work with the custom architecture of the onboard computers.

I’m using a 2020 MSI with 16GB of memory… Full stack dev and trying to open the front and backend code with chrome makes it have to spin and wait every time I go to find a usage. I was givien a large 4k Monitor so I can have everything open at once and just glance at the API and frontend, but I can’t actually have them open at the same time due to memory limitations. I fear ever going back below 64GB… but the ones they want to replace this one with only have 32GB *intense sobbing begins *.

This wouldn’t be so bad, but we are also required to use Windows and use Linux via remote or Hyper-V for anything that requires it.