I’d say in my case the puff is clearly inside the cells (i.e. not just under the plastic wrapping) but not really that solid (obviously I didn’t poke the cells, nor do I dare to… just my estimate). Again, the swelling is very slight. Visually the battery still has good clearance from the input cover.
I didn’t intentionally run a slow discharging/charging cycle as is usually recommended to calibrate the battery gauge. However it did see a few full cycles in the past two months, and the 5.1% wear level estimate doesn’t seem off to me judging from the run time.
You are allowed to touch them, just don’t apply a lot of force (or sharp objects) to them but knowing if they are under a lot of pressure or just barely not flat tells you a lot about how bad it is.
Mechanical violence is in my experience the most reliable way to have them perform “energetic displays” XD. Massive overcharging and shorting and so on can produce results too but a good stab with something sharp and conductive gets the job done most of the time as long as the cell has enough charge (which is probably also why some newer battery controllers also discharge the cells to 0 when they go into sudoku mode).
I posted back in end of May. Back then, my battery was at 140 cycles and at 10.4% wear.
Now at end of year, I am at 207 cycles, and the battery shows 14.8% wear.
I don’t really use my laptop for intensive tasks, mainly document work (word) and internet browsing / watching video. The laptop stays on power most days (evident with only ~60 cycles in 7 months.)
And yes I have recalibrated my battery with a full charge / discharge.
Overall…not very pleased. We’ll see if the battery lives up to the claim of 20% degradation at 1000 cycles. At this rate, I expect to reach 20% degradation before 400 cycles.
But hey, at least once capacity drops enough i’ll be able to get an upgrade!
I feel I should do an update. I just moved my 1135G7 Batch 9 Framework to Fedora, and I’m astonished about how much less power Fedora uses while I’m doing things than Windows used idle. tlp-stat gives me this:
I’ve got a 6th batch 11th gen Framework 13. Here’s the relevant part of upower --dump:
Device: /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT1
native-path: BAT1
vendor: NVT
model: Framewo
...
energy: 47.8324 Wh
energy-empty: 0 Wh
energy-full: 48.1866 Wh
energy-full-design: 55.0088 Wh
energy-rate: 9.9638 W
voltage: 16.772 V
charge-cycles: 169
time to empty: 4.8 hours
percentage: 99%
capacity: 87.598%
88% after two years of mostly being turned on feels pretty decent, on the order of what I’d expect for light use.
I ran the battery down enough for the laptop to shut off and up to 100% a couple times before getting the above ouput, should be close enough to calibrated.
I’ve had it charging to 80% the past several months, going to change back to that setting in the BIOS now.
That is interesting. I’ve always wondered exactly how sophisticated the indicators and models are between battery circuitry and the capacity number. You could imagine all kinds of hardware or software flukes or a value passing some threshold in some stairsteppy representation of a curve.
For fear of going off-topic, I’d like to provide a point of reference.
I’ve been using AccuBattery on my current phone since I got it (late June 2022 I think) and I’ve been watching the battery health estimates and how much they can swing; my experience with the Framework battery isn’t excessively different.
AccuBattery disregards severe outlying values, which our approaches to getting the wear values doesn’t particularly seem to.
For your battery suddenly wearing more, Amoun, it’s possible that you’re experiencing something like an S-curve, which I remember seeing materials implying happens in wear for certain types of Lithium-Ion batteries – suddenly fall off a cliff and it near-plateaus for a while, then to become much worse quickly further down the line, but probably when the battery’s capacity is already greatly diminished.
I have cycled it approximately 100 times too overall. But according to the posts I have read, the 11 is battery hungry. Also I only get around 4 hours on average of use on it. I got far better on my old Dell Latitude. I carry this laptop around to various nonprofits in South Brooklyn, but only a couple of times a week as I do not enjoy the subways. The commute from home takes over 2 hours a day.
I think I shall get a power bank to cover the extra hours when I may be away from a power plug.
i’ve had my framework 13 for two weeks now and it already shows a wear level of 8,7%. I may have charged it about 7 times and keep the battery at a maximun of 75%. Is battery faulty?
From my experience with lithium batteries it’s more like a lot initially and then tapers off and then a lot later a lot again, kinda s-curve ish. But anyway I’d be very careful extrapolating.
I’m sitting at just over 200 cycles and a wear level of 6%. Battery is about 2.5 years old (Batch 4 11th gen Intel). I mostly use it as a mobile workstation when I’m away from the office, maybe a couple hours a day 2-4 times a week, otherwise it’s plugged in intermittently set to 80% battery charge threshold, with the charge threshold disabled when I’m traveling. Can’t really complain with how it’s held up in my use case.
Just handed my 2021 batch 5 i5 off to a friend. Did a full battery cycle just to check everything out before it went to it’s new owner.
charge_full was 3042 , or ~47Wh / 55Wh available, ~85% of original capacity
After ~27 months in service, many partial but very few full cycles, 100 percent charge limit at first until BIOS allowed lower, 60 percent most of the time at that.
