That already exists, at least in my experience. I don’t notice any fan noise when I’m not running a game or compiling something, on either Framework laptop I’ve used. Have you tried setting your Power Profile to “Power Save”? I wonder if you’ve got a lemon.
Just way more expansion card slots.
storage, snack drawers, ethernet, screwdriver, audio, hdmi, usb a+c, dongle hiders, mag charge + all kind of niche or experimental or simply fun cards …
There is just way to much cool stuff for a limit of 4 or 6 cards.
(An ethernet expansion card in standard expansion card size or fixed included would be my second choice)
That just makes the screen go dim practically immediately after stopping to input something, which is super annoying.
I don’t think so. There are many reports like this. I might try to replace the thermal paste in the future with PTM or something.
The screen dimness can be set independently of the thing I’m talking about, er, at least on Linux.
If it was a hardware issue, if it even affected 1% of customers, you’d expect a lot of reports about it. I do vaguely remember it running kind of warm before I installed power-profiles-daemon. I haven’t got the laptop with me, but IIRC my Framework 16 would use around 8 watts idling and maybe 12 to 14 somewhere when I’d interact with it more (like browsing the web a bit). In both those cases, the fans weren’t particularly noticeable.
My point is just, I wouldn’t write off the possibility that you can wrangle the hardware into lower power usage (and thus lower heat); and if you can’t, it’s probably a hardware problem that isn’t universal, so contacting support might be a good option.
To be absolutely clear, my laptop is silent when idling, I just want to avoid the fan to ramp up if some weird animation heavy website or some badly optimized game causes 100% CPU usage for some reason and I’d prefer it if the website becomes slightly sluggish in that case instead.
As far as I can see, the fan ramping up on high CPU usage is normal behaviour, right?
I misunderstood you at first. For quiet fans during gaming, I don’t know. You might need an entirely different computer. For problematic web sites, that’s not been an issue for me, but I could see capping PPT at some low value and getting by like you’re describing (PPT being AMD’s name for TDP, maybe measured from a different place?). I see a fair bit of talk here in the forums about using RyzenAdj to do that. Framework 16 Thermals - #11 by Mario_Limonciello for example.
But yeah, the fans do spin up when the CPU starts processing. I’ve had it be relatively quiet doing a significant amount of compiling on battery in “Power Save” mode, so, whatever the power limit was set to there, if you went 5-10 watts below that, you might keep things pretty quiet all the time, if also underperformant.
Yeah I agree. I think setting system to power saver in Linux or “better battery” in Windows should accomplish this goal of gimping power limits to avoid boosty behavior.
You can also “just” turn off boost for CPU cores in Linux kernel 6.11 but keep the power limits turned up.
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On Linux, when I’ve run things like games with naïve spinloops that use 100% CPU regardless of whether or not they have actual work to do (and thus trigger maximum frequency boost), limiting the kernel governor to the “nominal” CPU frequency using cpupower frequency-set cures the fan problem for me (i.e., the fans will not even turn on) with no real impact to performance since these apps are just behaving pathologically. (Frankly, I have many times forgotten to unrestrict the governor later and not even noticed. This CPU is fast!)
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Are you using Gnome? I had this issue and in my searches for a solution the penultimate post on the bug report for this issue suggested gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power idle-brightness 100 as a fix, (didn’t work for me maybe you might have better luck) you could also try disabling PPD and using something else like Thermald or CPUPower.
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ITS OFFICIALLY BEEN 3 YEARS!
Since October 2021, 3 years have passed. In that time, we’ve seen a myriad of changes to the Framework 13, the release of the Framework 16, and TONS of behind-the-scenes content courtesy of the Framework YouTube Channel!
In regards to the original poll, we’ve also covered a lot of ground with the changes initially voted upon.
Fully implemented:
Higher Refresh Rate Screen
Better Screen Resolution (Scaling)
Bigger/More Efficient Battery
Partially implemented/FW 16:
More Expansion Slots
2nd M.2 Slot
Larger Screen
Increased Build Quality
NOT Implemented (13):
Touch Screen
Trackpoint
Dedicated Charging Port
Larger Trackpad (13)
That all being said, what do you want to see from Framework for the future?
In other words, if you could make only 1 change to the Framework Laptop [13], what would it be?
- Touschscreen
- Trackpoint
- Dedicated Charging Port
- Larger Trackpad (13)
- Windows Hello Face Unlock
- A Super Key (but Framework Logo)
- Microsoft Copilot Key
- ARM-Powered Mainboard (Qualcomm or Otherwise)
- Even Higher Refresh Rate
- Even Higher Resolution
- Something Else!
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I’m super interested to see how this has evolved since we initially discussed this back 36 months ago!
Personally, my #1 is a touchscreen, but I know trackpoints are real sticking points for some Thinkpad users. [1] [2] [3]
Get a discussion going! Speak how you feel!
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My preferred change would be a smartphone-like touchscreen with a gorilla glass front. That would not only add touch (which can be useful is some cases) but would also make the screen much more robust and prevent ugly keycap marks.
The second preferred change, that would sort of go hand-in-hand, would be a redesigned case out of high-quality plastic or carbon fibers with a 360° hinge, you could convert it into a tablet. Plastic because I feel it will be lighter than aluminum and it will have less sharp edges. I always get my arm hairs stuck on small creases of the aluminum case of my Framework 13 and I hate it.
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Blue bezel.
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I’m pretty sure that when people say they want an “ARM-Powered Mainboard” very few of them actually care about it being ARM.
What they really mean is they want a third CPU vendor option that is viable for day to day usage, competitive with the current CPU options, and has better battery life.
RISC-V is a long way from being viable for day to day usage and also a long way from being competitive with the current options. Intel and AMD are the only vendors of X86 CPUs. So that just leaves ARM based solutions (mainly the Snapdragon X Elite for the time being).
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I’d really like an OLED screen option, as i often use my FW in the dark & the minimum brightness is still quite bright.
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The problem with ARM processors is unfortunately still, that there are no standardized BIOS or UEFI implementations for them. So you often end up with a locked BIOS from the vendor or something similar.
I think this is one of the reasons, that is holding Framework back from developing an ARM mainboard.
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you can use the AMD dashboard to turn down the … contrast.
The brightness slider don’t work as great.
Yeah I wish the backlight driver has a bit more range.
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One concern I have with OLED panels on laptops is that they may not work as well with matte panels as they may cause bloom or dilute the darker darks compared to a glossy panel. Maybe someone can let me know if this is a completely unfounded concern based entirely on incorrect assumptions, or if this is an actual issue some may encounter (even if its not to the same degree I envision).
I prefer to sit near to a window when at home or at school, and as a result the glare from a normal gloss panel tends to be something that I am more sensitive to. I even held off purchasing a FW 13 until a matte display was available (and until AMD was available, lol)
The ideal panel for me would be a gloss OLED panel utilizing whatever magic technology Samsung has implemented on the S24 series because the reflection reduction on those phones really is something otherworldly.
Seriously. An input-cover kit with a 7-row keyboard would be huge, I’d buy it immediately.
I just bought a FW13 anyway, because most other things about it are what I’m looking for, and I have to put my money where my mouth is even if it means settling for the least-worst option. I’m on my first day of daily-driving it, and the lack of dedicated PgUp/PgDn huuuuuuurts. I hadn’t appreciated how much Ctrl-Shift-Pgup/dn was part of my tab-arranging behavior until I had to figure out mashing Fn at the same time to make it work. I’ll survive, but… why?
But the cool thing is, if a 7-row keyboard comes out, I can just sell my old one on the marketplace, it won’t be wasted. So it’s still better than the alternatives. Nobody else even has the concept of swappable keyboards, so I think I’m in the right place, even if it doesn’t exist yet.
(The other weird keyboard thing that keeps biting me, is the F-keys are stretched rightwards quite a bit. I’m used to F4 being above 4 or slightly left of it, but here F4 is slightly right of it, because Esc is bizarrely wide, and there’s nothing between F12 and Delete, which shifts the whole F-row right. I’ve been hitting Alt-F3 all morning and wondering why my windows don’t close… So yeah, a more-Thinkpad-esque 7-row keyboard would be big.)
I wish we had PgUp/PgDn too. If you’re on Linux, you could at least setup a shortcut that is easier than reaching the Fn key. [SOLVED] No Page Up/Page Down‽‽ - #16 by MJ1 It should be possible on windows too. I don’t recall if there is a windows method in that thread as well.
I’d still vote for Trackpoint every time, but if there was something else, I think I’d change the chassis for something a bit more to my liking. I don’t really love the Macbook air aesthetic with the wide bevels on the bottom edge and would prefer something sleek, but a little chunkier like a Macbook Pro, Thinkpad x13, etc. This is mostly because I simply prefer the shape, but if this chassis could fit all the existing components, and also had a little extra room for some special components like extended battery, internal storage or something else along those lines it would be awesome.