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We haven’t launched any Marketplace items for Framework Laptop 16, and won’t for quite awhile. If you click on the left for compatibility, the bezels are not listed for Framework Laptop 16. That said, I agree we should now put something on the product page that says “For Framework Laptop 13” or something similar. I’ve escalated for review.
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New user here, not sure where to post this, but an additional feedback might be useful.
I’m a huge fan of the 16, but I need Coreboot to lower attack surface (many security people I know have the same issue). As soon as that gets onto the roadmap, I would order an all in 16.
Until that, there are other vendors 
(btw I really like the sustainability promise of Framework, awesome work and thank you for that!)
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Not sure what you’re talking about… I preordered from The Netherlands.
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While the list of shipped coutries is still relatively limited, there are definitely others than the US:
For anyone who’s interested, there is a coreboot thread you can follow (no timeline, back burner type deal at this time).
I pre-ordered (UK).
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It is on the official knowledge base of framework. Shipping regions don’t need monthly updates.
From my understanding it is pretty slow to get approved as manufacturer and seller in new countries, because they all have different certificates and permits you might have to obtain. I am sure Framework as a company is very eager to open shipping to more countries, as it can only mean more customers, more sales and therefore more revenue.
From the blog post about pre-orders opening:
Ordering is open now in all of our current countries: US, Canada, Germany, France, UK, Netherlands, Austria, Ireland, and Australia.
Framework | Framework Laptop 16 pre-orders are now open
Nowhere on the shipping page do they specify this only refers to the FW13 model. I think they wouldn’t limit the countries they ship to for a new product compared to an older one.
Like @Schuasda said, while the knowledge base article has not been updated, it no longer refers to only the Framework Laptop 13. In the article it states
The Framework Laptop is currently available in the following countries and regions:
Which now refers to the Framework Laptop 13 and the Framework Laptop 16, as both laptops ship to all of those regions.
We have gotten off topic. The point I want to make is that for @zzz and anyone else coming to this thread wondering what countries the Framework Laptop 16 can ship to, the list at this link is the list of countries that both the Framework Laptop 13 and Framework Laptop 16 can ship to, despite the fact that it was last updated in Sept. 2022.
This conversation is going nowhere, the countries on the knowledgebase article are correct and available for ordering the FW16
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You know, even for $1400 it’s not terrible value when compared to offerings from big companies.
Yes, it does’t actually offer significantly more than a 15 inch plastic slab with so much chassis flex ballerinas would blush.
But also, the Framework 16 is not a wibbly-wobbly plastic slab – it’s a premium laptop with a metal chassis and lots of upgradability, and a fan curve that won’t let the CPU go to 100 degrees.
One thing of intrigue, however, is that if most of the computers made (on the line) is already filled with the modules, then why is it less expensive to have someone take out the modules for the DIY verison? should it not be more expensive?
I don’t understand the logic here.
Also. Only Ryzen right now? That’s kind of disappointing, although I’m pretty sure a blue offering would come up at some point.
DDR5?! That’s mad. You know the entire debate that the SODIMM connector is not going to work for … well, it’s the speed bottleneck, because some signal integrity stuff.
Next gen CAMM module when?
the framework factory tour by LTT.
In it you can see (and he actually talked about) how it is actually cheaper for Framework to design the assembly line where all the components are placed inside the laptop, and then a separate small workshop is used to remove the modules for the ones that ordered DIY versions. This make sense since there is (apparently) significantly more people that orders the non-diy version than there are that orders the DIY versions.
It does make sense, when you consider the amount of different SKUs that would be flying around for every laptop otherwise – plus they do in-factory testing, which is not going to be possible if the machine don’t have like, RAM or whatsnot.
What would be interesting is to see what will happen if the DIY version ordered doesn’t have stuff like RAM or SSD, how will they test it.
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JEDEC CAMM is not yet finalized or on the market. Ryzen 7040HS also lacks support for DDR4, making DDR5 the only option.
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One more thing, before i am also tired of this pointless discussion:
This was not a “blog post”. It is a FAQ/knowledge base/wiki article, however you want to call it. It has never referred to any specific model of laptop, because it wasn’t categorized as such.
The DIY is actually more expensive for the same config. I just compared it:
- Ryzen™ 7 7840HS
- DDR5-5600 - 16GB (2 x 8GB)
- WD_BLACK™ SN770 NVMe™- M.2 2280 - 500GB
- Windows 11 Home (Download)
- Graphics Module (AMD Radeon™ RX 7700S)
- Numpad module
- 180W Power Adapter
- 6x USB-C expansion card
The DIY version comes to 2,499.00€, while the prebuilt with the same specs totals 2,390.00€
So about 100€ difference. The framework markups for RAM, storage and windows version are a bit higher than from other online retailers, so i think you should be able to save a bit by ordering the DIY version and sourcing those parts yourself. Maybe you can get a deal on something.
I suspect they have some SSDs and RAM sticks to put into DIY machines to test them. Afterwards they pull them out again, ship the unit and use the components on the next machine.
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Let’s not continue this conversation, I really don’t want to ask the mods to shut this thread down because it’s becoming off-topic/an argument starts.
Part of this is due to the cost of a full Windows license vs the OEM licenses that come on prebuilts. The OEM ones can’t be transferred to other machines, but that full license you buy with the DIY is yours forever and can be used on multiple machines.
Framework definitely doesn’t make the DIY option available for the customers who want to run Windows on it
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