After purchasing a Framework 13 13th gen, then a Framework 16. I have one major request.
Please, please, please go back to Intel, at least as an option.
My Framework 13 is a tank, I’ve never had an issue with it that was not self-inflicted. My Framework 16 is a never-ending source of frustration. If an Intel board was an option for the 16, I’d already have it ordered.
Intel builds for stability, AMD builds for flash and numbers. But numbers aren’t worth anything if I have to keep doing force-reboots. Or, in the latest fiasco, the Mediatech WiFi card has just decided it doesn’t want to work for more than 10 minutes after booting. Definitely replacing it with an Intel Wifi module.
Think it’s a FL16 thing really, as opposed to AMD. Or maybe more specifically, Framework’s implementation / execution ? I would be interested to see how a FL16 with Intel would behave / perform.
Yeah that’s true; if you’re a fan of Intel I can tell how that’s disappointing. AMD has been more popular for a few years, it’s where the money’s at, but it might be nice if an Intel FW16 came out too.
I was of the same mind when I got a Laptop 16 a year ago. Intel has software that’s much more polished and a boosting algorithm with much less compromise between power saving and performance.
What AMD is better at is performance per watt, though - i. e. you might get better top performance and better throttling/boosting behavior with Intel, but if you put constant high load on the system, the AMD system will be able to work for longer on the same battery charge and will deliver more overall compute for the same charge spent.
And with current disintegration of Intel, it might not be long until their software/hardware game slips. When Microsoft fired their Windows testing team, the effects were felt pretty quickly, and so here if Intel downsizes their first party processor design efforts they would quickly lose any edge they had over AMD.
If by “performance per watt”, you mean how much heat it generates, yup, it’s really, really good at that. It’s kinda impressive how much heat the 16 generates, and how often the fans are running full-blast to get rid of it.
I’m really not so much a fan of Intel as I am a “not fan” of AMD. I’ve had a handful of AMD-based computers over the years, and I’ve mildly regretted all of them. The Intel-based ones have never been exciting, but they’ve always just worked without issues.
I thought the same thing. I didn’t have any problems with my framework 16, liked everything about it - except using it. I’m not even sure why. It ran well, I distro hopped for a while - the longest OS on it was NixOS. Even had windows on it for a while. I sold it a little while ago.
Interesting… I had the exact opposite experiences with Intel and AMD processors. I had regrets with all the Intel ones, hence my motto: Intel processors only those can afford, who have a lack of information.
My first Laptop was a Core 2 Duo. Its fans ran without pause, even when all I did was browsing and it really got extremely hot. Same with the Intel Desktop CPU I got lent together with its mainboard from a friend due to my power supply which exploded and fried my AMD CPU and/or its mainboard, until I could afford a new AMD combo. That one ran hot, too.
Anyway, sounds like you got a Framework 16 with a defective thermal system. You’d better contact the support team.
Intel inflated the performance by pushing 150W through their CPU, only on “customer chassis”. What if we mount a huge radiator(larger than a GPU) on the expansion bay, can we get 150W sustained?
hear me out: instead of an intel cpu for the fw16 there should’ve been an intel graphics module instead. (despite me being a ryzen fanboy intel makes some banger gpus)
100% also had problems with the mediatek chip, but i argue that’s more of a mediatek rather than an amd fault.
A matter of thermal system management…and what CPU utilization was “browsing” really meant to the system. i.e. It’s not just the CPU…it’s the package as a whole, the execution.
Oh it’s an AMD fault, too, alright. They deserve plenty of blame for choosing a bottom of the barrel hardware partner and ramming that choice down the throats of OEMs.
I’d say “designers” more than manufacturers, since there’s ton of clones of some of those cards.
But, out of those three, which do you think is the lowest on the quality chain?
Hint, I swapped in an Intel AX210 this past weekend, and a good half of my instability issues just vanished.
in my previous post I also had problems with the mediatek chip in my fw13 and immediately switched it with the same one you swapped yours with and it fixed the unstable wifi the mediatek caused.
mediatek is super weird on my end because on my pc (rz717) it works perfectly but the fw13 (rz616) i had to replace it asap, but thats just my lived experience with it
i mean unless hell freezes over and intel partners with amd, the only one is qualcomm and i’ve heard they also have the same level of issues as mediatek, so it is what it is
