Religious, cultural, political discussion about the swastika

[Fraoch]

In order to keep this thread on topic, we are moving all discussion of the religious, cultural and political significance of the swastika here.

Please keep the discussion respectful.

[The_Eternal]

@anon81945988 The symbal Hitler used is not actually swastika but a twister version of it called as “Hakencreuz” I hate the fact that people don’t recognise swastika as thousands of year old and used symbal instead of recognise it as something else used by hitler which is many fold less durations of what swastika is really being used since. As a hindu we draw swastika everyday near home temple. U can visit any hindu, buddhist, jain or sikh house and u will se swastikas there. I agree with u and it is the intention not the symbal actually. The intention of use should be questioned not the symbal itself. It’s sad to see that some countries have banned the symbal and hindus have to fight in courts to win the right to use it. Some people don’t even say “Swastika” cuz probly they fear if they will get banned or something by using it. I hope I don’t get banned here by talking about this as the founder and CEO of this company itself is a hindu. I will suggest watching this youtube video to all talking about Swastika. Also I hope I didn’t say anything stupid and if I did then please enlighten me as I am not expert on the topic. The Untold Story of SWASTHIKA || A film about the true history of Swasthika || Project SHIVOHAM - YouTube

[PDXTabs]

@The_Eternal

@amoun The symbal Hitler used is not actually swastika but a twister version of it called as “Hakencreuz” I hate the fact that people don’t recognise swastika as thousands of year old and used symbal instead of recognise it as something else used by hitler which is many fold less durations of what swastika is really being used since.

Thanks for pointing that out. I’ve been to Buddhist temples with swastikas but never noticed the tilt of the hakenkreuz until you pointed it out to me.

[Oliver]

@anon81945988

pre the Socialist German Workers Party

The full name of that party was “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. Not to be confused with socialists (see this Wikipedia article for details: National Socialists). Those two are VERY different things.

[Henry_Online]

@anon81945988

The fist is usually denotes the use of power in a fight and I would agrue is a less benign symbol than the religious symbol that I can’t name as this post gets automatically hidden.

…6 million jews might disagree with that take.

This is a weird topic – why is there a dedicated thread for debating swastikas in the Framework forum?

EDIT:
I should probably explain that I’m aware of the religious context behind the symbology. Unfortunately the symbol was used widely by people who commit mass genocide, so many people are going to assume a certain ideology when they see that symbol displayed.

[lthemick]

@Henry_Online

This is a weird topic – why is there a dedicated thread for debating swastikas in the Framework forum?

Right there with you - I had a post in draft trying to ask that same question, but couldn’t articulate it as clearly at your have.

[Fraoch]

This thread exists because the thread referenced in the first post was getting off-topic. A warning was posted but ignored.

Rather than delete posts (which we try very hard not to do!) it was split off into its own thread.

We’ll be monitoring very closely. There have been no disrespectful posts so far - please flag any that cross the line.

We try not to be the post police and would rather not delete posts, regardless what our personal opinion may be on the subject.

[Xavier_Jiang]

@The_Eternal

I hate the fact that people don’t recognise swastika as thousands of year old and used symbal instead of recognise it as something else used by hitler which is many fold less durations of what swastika is really being used since.

I recognize that, but it does not prevent bans on Swastikas (by some countries) just because of its use by Nazi Germany

(Intriguingly, looking up “Hakencreuz” return the result of “this is Swastika, but in german”)

The cases involving Nazi Germany do frequently see it being rotated 45 degrees, so it wouldn’t be unfair to say that they are different symbols

[The_Eternal]

They are two different symbols. Germans probably failed to translate it correctly. Calling “Swastika” as “Hakencreuz” in any language is very disrespectful to it’s original meaning and history. I don’t have any issue with any country banning a symbol. Only problem is hindus in that country get hate and have to face racism for no reason except the fact that people think they are supporters of Nazi as their own goverment and laws support the same belief. I hope it get solved soon. Any such situation related to anything needs to be solved.

[Will3]

While I understand the Framework team tries not to delete posts, and that this is an offtopic category-- this seems like a topic that is so ridiculously out of pocket I’m not sure why it wouldn’t be removed.

[The_Eternal]

It’s not that off topic. For example. Can I ask framework to start selling custom laptops with Swastik on it? It depends. Doesn’t matter how people use a symbal. Swatika clearly ha e a meaning and historical importance to it.