The Keyboard

Do you know of a way to implement that as your specific suggestion (rightCtrl+/)? Apparently neither MS PowerToys’ Keyboard Manager nor SharpKeys can do it. [EDIT: I was wrong, PowerToys can; details below.]

I only know how to do it in Linux. I still have Windows as a dual boot option, but I never use it, so I never bothered to set up remapping or hot key.
I would think Windows built-in settings should be able to do it. Listed as keyboard shortcuts or hotkeys.

Well they “should” do it, but it seems they don’t. Consider the fact that single-key mapping is included in PowerToys, and SharpKeys explins why they don’t/can’t map from a key combo.

If (better) key mapping was already included in some Windows settings GUI, I don’t think it would also be implemented (worse) in those two programs.

I’d be happy to be proven wrong, though. [EDIT: I was wrong. Details below.]

Wow, hotkeys / shortcuts seem like such a basic feature.

What about the powertoys shortcuts remapping option I read about here?
learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/keyboard-manager#remap-shortcuts
Does that only work for already existing shortcuts, doesn’t allow creating new shortcuts like Ctrl+/?

I was going to check in a virtual machine but looks like I don’t have a win11 one on hand.

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Keyboard Manager works.

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Thank you both for the correction. That does work!

I had only tried “Remap a key” in PowerToys. I had misread the “Remap a shortcut” option, thinking it was only app-specific, not realizing that “all apps” is an option.

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“I’ve been repeatedly frustrated by the lack of a context menu button (i.e. right click button) on the keyboard.”

Of course, with a trackpoint and 3 slim buttons above the trackpad, you’ve got a built-in right-click mechanism without having to program keys and without having to take fingers off the keyboard.

(Yes, a shameless plug for trackpoint + buttons :slightly_smiling_face:)

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I have, besides the Framework, a Thinkpad X1 Carbon. I never use the eraser-button mouse but I absolutely do use the physical click buttons just above the touchpad.

Until there’s a way to have this feature on the Framework, I’ll only travel with the Thinkpad.

Since it doesn’t look like Framework is interested in offering this, I hope a third-party developer will.

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Any ETA for the Portuguese keyboard?

Hi,
off the bat, ISO has a vertically bigger ENTER key, ANSI a horizontally one.

I’ve noticed a lot of replies from Framework staff saying you might consider making such-and-such keyboard layout variant if there were sufficient demand for it, but I do not see anywhere that you are actually soliciting/gauging demand. How can you know how many people out there would be willing to buy a particular new variant if you aren’t providing any way for us to register our interest? You could do it as a pre-order in your online store with a refundable deposit, just as you do for the laptops themselves, only there would be no ship date until a sufficient quantity of pre-orders have been placed.

As soon as you offer a pre-order for a Dvorak keyboard module (or a Dvorak keycap swap kit), I would put down a deposit. It’s okay if it takes years for enough pre-orders to build up before it becomes economically worthwhile for you to do a manufacturing run. I can wait. I just think you need to be actively collecting and tallying the actual demand for these things rather than always just saying, “Well, we would if there were demand for it.”

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I think you nailed the illusion of “demand and supply”. In practice the whole system works by imposing products onto users and not collecting the demands at all. This is how we ended up with non-repairable laptops in the first place. People never demanded an ultra-thin laptop with planned obsolescence and missing features. Accountants calculated that it’s more profitable and marketing agencies imposed it on us.

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I would also love to see some options for different keyboards! Looks like I’m in good company with wanting Thinkpad-style buttons and a nub. I’d also like to see options for keycaps that aren’t island/chiclet style and have depth and maybe a spherical or conical dish to them. I’d be totally willing to have a much thicker laptop for a better traditional/conventional keycap style. I’d pay an insane amount of money for a laptop with old-school keycaps. Like, an insane amount of money. I’d sell my soul for it.

Also, it would be great to have a smaller touchpad centered under the spacebar instead of having it sit to the right—even with tech that theoretically rejects accidental palm touches, I’ve yet to use a newer laptop where my right palm doesn’t hit the stupidly-big touchpad and click around. I used to have an HP laptop circa 2008 that had a tiny button that turned the touchpad on and off. It was incredibly convenient for long stretches of typing.

All in all, I think there are lots of great additions/modifications that could be made for typists and traditionalists. There’s a gap in the market for sure.

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Is there a plan to get a keyboard with full size arrow key for the Framework 16?
It is most likely a very niche need but as a left handed gamer, i prefer using the arrow key the move around and the small arrow key are just too challenging to the point where i need to buy and wireless keyboard and keep laptop screen even further from me.

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Hi,
i had my new FW16 for a fortnight now, and i’m somewhat impressed with the keyboard’s typing feel.
Coming from Lenovo’s X220 with its traditional keyboard, that’s almost heresy, i know.

  • + the key travel feels about enough
  • - the key springs feel weaker
  • - But those missing keys and double assignments!

IMHO,

  • INS and DEL is wide enough to easily be two keys (just try selecting a file in some Commander style file manager instead of deleting it, having forgotten fn …). If not, cut some of the width from ESC/FnLock.

  • PrintScr and ScrollLock i don’t miss actually.

  • Menu can mostly still be reached with Shift-F10, Ok

  • The wide Arrow keys i’d like to be reduced in width, to make 4 key columns instead of 3, enabling the following changes:

    • HOME and END in the upper left and right unused places
    • PgUP, PgDN a column to the right

    I’ll try an ASCII illustration:
    home ^ end PgUP
    _<-__v__>__PgDN

  • Also, i’m really missing the Fn key grouping with extra space every 4th key, to better find keys without looking.

  • Touch typists may miss the raised ridges on F and J the Lenovo had. I’m not on that level, though, and don’t.

regards, yours truly.

Any chance the Linux keys can be sold separately for consumers who purchased the standard layout with Windows keys?

The keycaps aren’t meant to be replacement iirc. You’d have to buy the Linux English ansi keyboard module in its entirety.

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Hello, Framework 16 owner here. Does Framework have dimensional drawings of the Framework 16 keyboard? Or at least a template? This is to make my own keyboard stickers.

Thanks.

Hi,
actually, i discovered accidentally:
the FW16’s ISO keyboard has removable key caps (lift at back) and a scissors mechanism beneath, just about similar like my beloved Lenovo X220.

Sure they are removable but they aren’t meant to be replaceable