This was mentioned when the press units went out I believe. Perhaps try loosening the screws around the screen a fraction of a turn incase they are putting too much pressure on the screen.
There was no way to get rid of the light bleeds by simply adjusting the bezel or the screws around the screen. So I glued two small pieces of thin cardboard inside the bezel, on top of the problematic magnets. The extra thickness they bring removes pressure from the screen and thus removes the light bleeds.
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Might showing pictures of it how it looks? Is there any visible effect?
I am waiting for my pre-order and this is the part I am most worried about…
Might showing pictures of it how it looks?
I took a few pictures for the Framework support… and they are crap / not worth sharing here.
@nikcha’s picture is fine though.
Is there any visible effect?
It depends how you use your screen. If you always display bright contents, you may never notice anything. If on the other hand, you display a lot of dark areas (black taskbar, tty, terminal emulator, movies with black bars above and below), then you will likely notice an area that is not as black as you expect it to be. That’s about it. We are not dealing with a geyser of light ruining the entire screen here.
I am waiting for my pre-order and this is the part I am most worried about…
I think the problem is finally solved here, without any RMA. So maybe this is not something you should actually worry about?
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I realised I worded my question poorly and I meant to ask something different. Sorry. What I meant was: Can you share photos of your fix? Considering the fact you put a cardboard there, is it visible where the cardboard is from looking at the screen? Are there any waves in the bezel due to the cardboard making the bezel thicker?
Can you share photos of your fix?
is it visible where the cardboard is from looking at the screen?
Absolutely not. Perfectly invisible.
Are there any waves in the bezel due to the cardboard making the bezel thicker?
None that I can detect. An important keyword in the way I describe the fix is “thin cardboard” (about half a millimeter).
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Update: Framework is sending me another bezel. Upon reception (no date yet but the parcel currently is “in transit”), I should be able to tell whether another bezel makes a difference.
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I have received the new bezel.
The test was fast: the moment I installed the new bezel, I observed the exact same light bleeds as initially reported.
I switched back to my altered bezel (the one with two pieces of thin cardboard glued on top of the relevant magnets) and the light bleeds no longer happen.
Conclusion: it seems a new bezel does not help.
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Must be the screen end then. I know it has been mentioned a few times in here, but is it not possible to back out the screws a quarter or half turn to resolve?
Must be the screen end then.
Maybe? All I can conclude from my 2-bezels-1-laptop experiment is that the new bezel did not help. When I conclude a new bezel does not help, I am extrapolating already.
We must keep in mind that:
- not everybody pays attention to light bleeds, so it is hard to quantify how many laptops are actually affected
- this is a system where a display is being sandwiched between a screen mount and a bezel, with magnets on both sides
- based on my observations, it is the plastic part of the bezel that puts pressure on the display, not the magnets themselves
- increasing the thickness of the relevant magnets on the bezel worked around the issue (at least it did for me)
- this implies that I could have increased the thickness of the relevant magnets on the screen mount and get the same workaround.
- in the end, the magnets are likely slightly too thin: but which ones are too thin? The ones on the bezel? The ones on the screen mount? Both? Is it a design issue or a production defect? I cannot tell for sure.
is it not possible to back out the screws a quarter or half turn to resolve?
I guess this may work for light bleeds in the corner, but that’s about it.
So if the plastic isn’t too low, that would mean the display is too high no?
So if the plastic isn’t too low, that would mean the display is too high no?
Yes, it is another way to look at the matter: the display could be too high / not close enough to the screen mount. In that case, the culprit could be the screw cages.
I’ve put cardboard pieces and it didn’t help me. I have a new bezel coming in, but after reading this, I’m a bit less optimistic now.
@Techie_Zeddie Do you confirm you experience the exact same issue as described in this thread, namely light bleeds induced by the bezel, in the immediate vicinity of the magnets closest to the top of the display? If so, can you provide more details?
yes, but the display frame is rigid, while the plastic of the bezel is highly flexible. you can shim in between the frame and the bezel to adjust the shape of the bezel (and thus where it applies pressure). there is no equivalent strategy to adjust the shape of the display.
edit: i realize that it might not be obvious to someone not experimenting with it, but the basic problem is the plastic of the bezel is not being uniformly pressed against the display; it’s flexible material held in place by a LOT of magnets that are inset in the plastic. that’s WHY putting something in betwen some of the magnets can help.
The display itself very much isn’t (laptop lcds are disturbingly soft). If there is some debris or something behind it or it’s just bent it would also be too far forward.
It does fix the distance issue, where the distance issue comes from is another question.
I’m experiencing the same issue. Received a replacement bezel this morning framework sent me. However, the screen bleed hasn’t improved. In fact, it’s bleeding from 2 spots now, instead of 1 (original spot is the top, right of camera module).
I’ve yet to try a home made fix, I’ll wait for framework support’s response. Seems like the issues could either be the bezel and/or the screen judging by my replacement bezel…
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I would check the bezel to see if the molding process has left some high spots on the back of it.
Often you can see small round spots where pins push the item out of the mold, and if the pins are not properly flush with the surface of the mold then plastic can protrude. If this happens it would be worth sanding it down flush and seeing if that makes a difference.
I found 2 thin cardboard that worked better. Top right light bleed (next to the webcam) is gone. Top left light bleed (also next to the webcam) is reduced.
I do notice the top left corner is still very noticeable, but it’s not light bleed, but more IPS glow. Taking the screw out helps, but even the lightest pressure brings it back. I might have to place some paper behind that area to push it out a bit more to fix that, who knows.
The point is, we shouldn’t need to do things like this.
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I am glad to learn you are getting some progress on the matter.
I both agree and disagree.
I agree because, considering the price tag, the Framework 16’s overall finish feels cheap: the spacers next to the trackpad do not look good, the lid is apparently flexible enough to activate keys under certain conditions + these bezel/display issues + 180W vs 240W power issues. Also, the webcam, microphone and speakers certainly do not scream “luxury”. I am not going to list firmware/software issues because I think they are bound to disappear as time goes on.
Note: feel free to replace “we” with “I” in the next part.
I disagree because… we knew what we were signing for. We knew this was a brand new product (their first 16" laptop) from a relatively young company (the existence of the F13 was reassuring though). We knew it would feel “beta”. We also knew it would be a product for people who like to tinker with hardware. And, more to the point, we knew that paying a high price for a beta product is a prerequisite to keep that company alive until they make their point that, yes, repairability is the way to go. Otherly put, we knew we were giving to a cause.
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