Hi there!
Sometimes, when moving a single finger across the touchpad, it behaves very weirdly. Jumping around, not moving at all, going in zig-zag lines. It disappears when I lift my finger and place it down again. It happens about 1-2 times per month, so no idea how to replicate it.
I’ve been having this issue with my framework basically for the entire 1,5 years I’ve had it so far. It only appears very sporadically and is easily fixed, however it is still annoying and I wanted to check if others have found a permanent fix.
It appears with palm rejection enabled and disabled, but it felt like it happened more often with it disabled. No idea if that is true though.
Which Linux distro are you using?
Fedora 41
Which release version?
(if rolling release without a release version, skip this question)
(If rolling release, last date updated?)
now
Which kernel are you using?
6.12.11-200.fc41.x86_64
Which BIOS version are you using?
3.05 (EDIT: was 3.03, that was a mistake. I remembered wrong.)
Which Framework Laptop 13 model are you using? (AMD Ryzen™ 7040 Series, Intel® Core™ Ultra Series 1, 13th Gen Intel® Core™ , 12th Gen Intel® Core™, 11th Gen Intel® Core™)
7840u
I’ve seen something kind of similar; occasionally my trackpad will get “dead spots” where if I drag my finger over one, the cursor sort of jumps around it. Like you, picking up my finger for a few seconds and putting it back down eliminates the dead spot. I’ve only ever seen 1 at a time. I at first assumed my trackpad might be defective, so last year when I got the International English Linux keyboard, I just bought a whole new input cover. That trackpad does the same thing, so I assume it must be something in the trackpad firmware.
I also have this problem. I thought it was my imagination. Turns out it’s actually there
It’s most noticeable when first using the touchpad after leaving the laptop at idle. It’s like the touchpad has to “warmup” before use.
Not saying it’s likely to help with the trackpad issue but 3.05 is the current production version:
That aside, is there any chance of bad grounding (for the whole laptop/power supply) or static buildup?
Just going from first principles more than anything else. I haven’t encountered this (FW13 7840U since late 2023) but then again most of the time it’s docked and using a mouse instead of the touchpad.
I’m on the 3.06 beta. I don’t think power has anything to do with it because I’ve seen it with 2 different power adapters (both grounded) on 2 different electrical services. I’m pretty sure I’ve also seen it on battery.
I’ve been having this issue since getting my AMD Framework 13 last year (also around this time last year). Opened a ticket with support but they wanted a video of it happening and it’s so random unless you’re recording yourself using your laptop continuously you won’t catch it. But it still happens often enough I’ve given up on using my FW13 as my primary machine. I even ordered another input cover, mainboard, RAM, and SSD (which are all now in a mainboard case where I don’t have to worry about the trackpad xD) to make sure there wasn’t anything wrong with the existing hardware. No improvement. I’ve used different chargers in different physical locations, power banks, on battery: it still does it on and off. OS doesn’t seem to matter either: Ubuntu, Fedora, NixOS, Debian, Arch BTW, openSUSE Tumbleweed, ParrotOS, and Windows 11.
Not sure if it’s related, but I also keep having issues with my USB A repeatedly disconnecting until you unplug and replug the module (not just the USB stick and not just rebooting, you HAVE to replug the module). Usually it’s just coming out of sleep that it happens but sometimes it drops out in the middle of transferring data. Happens with multiple USB A modules and sometimes happens with my 1TB Framework expansion card as well. shrug
I never had any of these issues with my 11th or 12th gen Intel boards. Weighing the scales: working laptop vs modern Intel chips………………
Edit:
Wanted to add the dmesg output I see when it happens
May 22 23:35:11 fedora gnome-shell[3224]: libinput error: event4 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
May 22 23:35:11 fedora gnome-shell[3224]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
May 23 16:19:26 fedora gnome-shell[3224]: libinput error: event4 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
May 23 16:19:26 fedora gnome-shell[3224]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
May 31 23:58:03 fedora gnome-shell[3096]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
May 31 23:58:03 fedora gnome-shell[3096]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jun 03 16:41:03 fedora gnome-shell[2840]: libinput error: event4 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jun 03 16:41:03 fedora gnome-shell[2840]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jun 03 16:52:53 fedora gnome-shell[2840]: libinput error: event4 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jun 03 16:52:53 fedora gnome-shell[2840]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jun 16 22:03:21 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jun 16 22:03:21 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jun 17 10:37:51 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jun 17 10:37:51 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jun 17 10:39:28 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jun 17 10:39:28 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jun 17 11:54:13 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jun 17 11:54:13 fedora gnome-shell[2910]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.25.0/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
I have the same issue. I recently bought a framework laptop 13 and I noticed the trackpad behaving as described. Only sometimes a particular area will have this weird glitch where it goes in a circular motion around a spot on the screen, or it will stop in that same spot when i swipe on that particular spot on the trackpad (then it starts working again as soon as I go beyond the “defective” spot). If I lift my finger then test again that same area on the trackpad it works fine.
I have a framework laptop 13 AMD 7460u, I run Fedora 41 and my firmware version is 3.05. I have experienced the same trackpad behavior with Ubuntu 24.04 too.
If someone from Framework Support is interested, I have been able to make a video of the issue and I can provide it.
Edit: the video shows both my finger on the trackpad and the cursor movement.
One thing I’ve noticed (at least for me), it seems to get worse after opening Firefox. If I boot up and only work in terminal windows it seems to happen much less often. But after opening Firefox it happens a lot.
It is a hardware issue. The dell has the same touchpad manufacturer “LITEON”. Grounding the touchpad by soldering does not help either. I personally faced this issue on the FW13 and FW16. The touchpad tracking starts jumping and skipping after 30 minutes of power on. Turning it off resets it and fixes it temporarly and I also noticed that being barefoot reduces the issue. I think some people notices it less, or some skin type exhibit this issue more.
It seems like this is definitely a power-related issue. I noticed the other day that it never or almost never occurred while I was using the laptop on battery while waiting in a train station for several hours, but then started happening like crazy (and even having issues with one finger at a time) with the laptop powered from the train’s HEP. I should have tried using a cheater plug to disconnect the ground prong and see if that made any difference, but I didn’t think of it until later…
I’ve been having a ton of issues with the USB A modules and came across another post here stating to remove the MicroSD module. It’s been two days and I haven’t had touchpad issues. I’ll continue seeing if the touchpad acts better but would be interested if y’all are using the MicroSD module as well and if removing it helps.
I still have problems with the USB A ports disconnecting after the laptop goes to sleep and they will not work without physically unplugging and replugging the modules. But at least now they aren’t dropping out every 5 seconds like they were with the MicroSD module in place.
I am not using any MicroSD module, I’ve been using the laptop both plugged and unplugged, but I still have the issues like shown in the video (but worse). It doesn’t jump twice in the same trackpad spot (so if I have the issue, if I lift my finger from the touchpad, then i put it back in the same area and do the same thing, the issue it’s not there anymore). This makes me believe that it is a software issue, not a hardware one. I will be waiting for a fix. I hope this forum thread gets noticed since it seems like quite some people have noticed this trackpack issue.
PS. I am on Fedora Silverblue 42, I’ve been having the same issue on Ubuntu 24.04. I can’t say for Windows since I’m not using it.
Yeah…sadly the issue is back for me again so it wasn’t actually related to MicroSD for me either. It just decided to actually work fine for a few days lol. Still getting the same journal messages about the touchpad jumping when it detects the cursor skipping:
Jun 20 14:44:47 debian gnome-shell[2163]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jun 20 14:44:47 debian gnome-shell[2163]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.22.1/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
So I ordered a Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 to see if the newer mainboard would have fixed this. New mainboard, new RAM, new SSD, fresh install (just like my 2nd attempt at fixing the issue with a new 7840u board, RAM, and SSD). It worked fine for about a week and now it’s back to the touchpad jumping around, selecting content when trying to scroll/move mouse, and generally being a pain. Still seeing journal messages for touchpad jumps as well. So sad since I love this laptop otherwise. Overall I’ve tried 3 different input covers (so 3 different touchpads) and 3 different mainboards (7840u, 7840u, and hx 370).
Jul 03 09:12:05 fedora gnome-shell[3191]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jul 03 09:12:05 fedora gnome-shell[3191]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.28.1/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jul 03 09:54:25 fedora gnome-shell[3191]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jul 03 09:54:25 fedora gnome-shell[3191]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.28.1/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
Jul 03 10:09:03 fedora gnome-shell[3191]: libinput error: event7 - PIXA3854:00 093A:0274 Touchpad: kernel bug: Touch jump detected and discarded.
Jul 03 10:09:03 fedora gnome-shell[3191]: See https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.28.1/touchpad-jumping-cursors.html for details
