Upgrading from DIY Intel 1260p to AMD AI 370 - Any experiences?

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Hi,

want to upgrade my daily driver. I´m a Intel user for the last 20 years, but the new AI 370 “beast” seems worth the risk to make the switch. Ordered it yesterday.

Any experiences from this community?

Windows new installation will be neccessary, this is clear, check.

I read that the Wi-Fi card of the INTEL DIY devices is compatible with the AMD boards. Is that 100% sure?

I also ordered DDR5 Ram, check.

BIOS updating after installing the new board?

This must be enough in our Framework universe, correct? As simple as possible, that’s why we use Framework.

I´m happy with the old parts of my FW13, will upgrade the battery when the old one is working less than 1h, the display is quite good, everything is fine with my 3 year old machine.

Yesterday I made a vacation video and realized that I wouldn’t be sad if some renderings of proxy files or stabilizations happened a bit faster. The Intel 1260p does its job, but creating the proxy files alone already took hours. I’m curious to see what AMD will deliver. Really looking forward to it!

By the way, I want to sell my 1260p mainboard but until now i´m not a “level 2” user here. I´m trying hard… :sweat_smile:

Greetings

Nico

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If it’s an ax200 or ax210 then yes, if the number on it ends in anything other than 0 no.

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That´s a nice info, thx!

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Also, it i no longer the case, that you need to do a clean install, even if you’re changing platform from Intel to AMD or vice versa. Windows can handle that without problem nowadays.

Also, be careful with those Intel WiFi cards. Yes, AX200/210 works without issue, but BE200 (or any other Intel WiFi 7 card) is a no-no, even tho it ends up with 0.

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At least without a lot of problems.

framework never shipped be200s though so that should be fine.

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I think I’ll test without a clean install, and if there’s any problem, I’ll do it then.

First i will check which wifi card i have….

The RZ717 is not in stock now.

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Worst case ax210s are cheap and available pretty much everywhere.

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Framework really is a bit of an extreme matter of faith. For the same money you pay just for the mainboard, you can get a completely new notebook with an almost identical processor, better display with touch and 2.2k ( I have the old FW13 with FHD Display):

HP OmniBook Ultra AI PC 14-fd0190ng, 14" 2.2k IPS Touch, Ryzen AI 9 365, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Windows 11

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Sooouuuu,

Mainboard is working. :ok_hand:

Wifi is working. :ok_hand:

No Windows new installation.

BUT, I´m getting max 3,2GHz. Is a more powerful adapter necessary? But when configuring a new FW13 with this Processor, a 60W adapter is also offered?!

Saw now also 4,5GHz. I think it´s normal.

Fingerprint is also not working.

Fixed the fingerprint after deleting the PIN registration in W11.

But what i found out now: I´m making a video of vacation the last days. This was also one reason why I wanted to upgrade the mainboard to reduce waiting time for rendering proxy files and preview rendering. But now it is slower than before with the 1260p!!

Should I reinstall Windows 11 after all, or could it be that the processor doesn’t work well with Filmora?

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Did you check whether GPU acceleration was properly enabled?

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This is always the first thing i check/do. And yes, it is. But the 890M is not on the supported list. But the gpu from the 1260p is also not on the list.

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Did you make sure to install the Driver Bundle for the Ryzen AI 300 series?

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Jep, was the first thing i installed. Now I also installed AMD Software Adrenalin Edition and it found a new chipset software, but after installation nothing changed.

I think its a filmora software problem.

I found out, that motion tracking in filmora is much faster than before with the 1260p. With hardware acceleration it is much faster than before with the 1260p, but WITHOUT hardware acceleration it is twice as fast as with hardware acceleration, so i turned it off.

But rendering the preview after making some changes is even a bit slower than with the 1260p. With and without hardware acceleration. Makes no difference.

I hope Wondershare will implement the AMD Ryzen AI 9HX 370 in the near future.

Anyway, I don’t think a clean install would bring any further improvement.

Thanks at all!

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I upgraded from the 1260p to HX370.

I did not reinstall. Seems to have gone off without a hitch. Biggest thing is all the question whether some power saving stuff might not work as its supposed to be with that kind of “unsupported” migration. But seems that my device behaves as it does for others…

Compatible, in that it will boot and run (the new WiFi 7 Intel cards have been reported to block the Strix Point boards from booting as they do with may, but not all AM5 boards).

But the card is a giant problem for Modern Standby with Windows. The entire slot shows up as not going to sleep, sleep power consumption is not measured correctly and way higher then supposed to be. So I went to the Mediatek MT7925 (as recommended). WiFi is fine for me. BT audio sucks. It stuttered on Framework drivers. I got newer drivers from some other Vendor. Because opposed to the Intel cards there are no public drivers for this card, which is just terrible. Sometimes BT audio is still delayed (accrues more delay compared to video over time), but mostly ok.

Performance of the AMD board is great. Way better fan management (they tried with 12th gen but really failed). Other nice additions, like EC management software, automatic keyboard backlight adjustment.

The USB4 boot support is worse, as expected from AMD. Like keyboard and mouse are not detected behind USB4 hubs during boot, only after.

Idle power consumption seems way worse with the AMD board. Intel went down to 2.6W idling as much as possible Windows while measuring battery draw. 4W while short idling without a browser running. AMD board sits at like 5W. Under any kind of load AMD is at the advantage but true idle seems crap. Also fits that the memory and CPU frequencies seem to not go as low as they could and did on Intel. (I am starting to suspect that the AMD Strix Point platform is not good ad DDR5, only LPDDR5 power saving).

I have more issues of the Framework not waking up from sleep. But that might be mostly triggered by a new dock I have. The touchpad hangs of the old one are gone. But I also swapped out the handwrest in the upgrade, as I dropped and dented it.

One annoying software issue that is still ongoing: Browser freezes when playing back a video and using a second Window at the same time. Then video & audio of the browser freeze until the browser Window with the video is minimized. And very rarely I see the screen glitching out with a pattern. With the Intel GPU driver from Framework, they blocked some feature the 60Hz screen advertises as supported, but led to the same glitches, so maybe the new 120Hz screen or screens sold with the Strix Point board do not have that issue. Neither Framework supplied GPU driver version nor the newest from AMD solve this issue.

I have a work HP Strix Point laptop for comparison. It also suffers from sometimes not waking up from sleep and deep-discharging its battery. Power consumption measurements are worthless on that HP laptop though, so I cannot really compare that. And HP messes with the sleeping by having a proprietary sleep mode that Windows does not know about (but saves WAY more power). So who knows.

I have 64 GiB Kingston Fury in it. But does not seem like idle power consumptions are out of the realm of the expected for this platform…

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Thank you very much for your detailed explanation! I’ve now done a clean install, but the problem definitely lies with Filmora. The current V14 isn’t really mature yet. I installed V13, and that one definitely renders faster. It wasn’t the quantum leap in rendering I was hoping for, but it is better than before.

Was it worth €1200? Iiii think not really, but I didn’t do the upgrade just for Filmora. Now I can look to the future more relaxed and lean back.

Anyway, does anyone need a 1260p motherboard? I can’t post anything in the sales section yet, I still need a few more experience points in the forum.