I wonder if in this case the complete loss of power led to an effective motherboard reset, and the memory had to train again, like the first time you ever turned it on.
I’m coming across this more and more on system board replacements and it’s even starting to pop up in documentation.
In some cases, systems that don’t have a RTC battery or that require the motherboard to be separated from it for replacement. Some were just unplugged for a really long time. And there’s others - unexplained motherboard failure - where sometimes instructions are to perform a “deep reset” that’s surprisingly effective.
This whole issue has whispers of that. I don’t think it’s FW specific. Might be exacerbated by the rechargable RTC though…
As long as I’m not the only one not taking ‘crazy pills’.
You do tend to find on any tech forum for a product that there is always a totally committed 3 or 4 folks that will defend every mistake, screw up and bad decision by said company to the death. Whatever dumbness happens it’s never the fault of company or the product.
“Yes they put razor blades around the screen bezel, why wouldn’t they?”
Thanks for that. I may be a freak but I’m not any crazier than most I just have a different philosophy which has nothing to do with Framework.
I’m probably older, more tolerant and expect very little from others even if I have paid them to do a job. I don’t expect to get what I ask for. I get what I get and am not about to lay the blame on another person for my engagement and purchase.
If something doesn’t work as expected then sure I will query, but in this case there has been an explanation.
I didn’t know what to expect from this laptop but I am pleasantly surprised. As I use it 6 hours a day I am unlikely to experience the problem so it’s just my user experience and not about supporting Framework come hell or high water.
But thanks for thinking I’m crazy, that’s quite flattering in my world.
Why would you bother the issue was with the 11 Gen Intel chip that stalled when the ML1220 was dead, This doesn’t exist with the 12 gen from what I have read.
I’d be curious how the laptop would fair in terms of the clock. I’m assuming that the RTC would not function along with the BIOS settings being impossible to save if the RTC battery was outright removed. Stuff like Windows time being incorrect on boot might become an issue at that point.
It would be nice to get some clarification on that from someone at Framework, or a helpful tester though.
Yes that’s what happens when the ML1220 voltage drops to around 2V. Then it has to be removed and left for a while to recover to maybe 2.2 and then the laptop may switch on at least.
Yes you are correct about the 12th gen board in that it doesn’t have a bug in the Intel chip that requires ‘rebooting’ and a redesign charges the ML1220 from the main battery.
I have amended the title to indicate this is an 11Gen product issue
OK but why say such if it’s not directed at someone. Sure people can be whingers and it’s not easy to deal with such a problem, but the forum isn’t about the Framwork laptop it’s about people who subscribe for whatever reason.
People, you and I included, are looking for attention, maybe genuinly by trying to help people who are curious or a bit stressed and there will be more and more of those people as more and more are born and are unhappy with what they have immersed themselves in.
Being rude to people only implies you are asking for help in having to deal with whingers ~ I empathise and sometimes want to give it up.
But I’m happy with my i7-1165G7 and just feel I can try and comfort those that are not so happy. It’s a pain but that’s the cost. Don’t tell me you thought being on this forum was allways going to be fair weather sailing.
But then new commers to the cause may want to add their
But it is. It’s directed at anyone who reads this topic. Closing it may stop more comments but it won’t benefit anyone, after all none of us have to read it.
But like I said there is likely to be others that get upset, the 11gen is still on sale, so it’s comforting for them to be able to add to the tale.
And there may even be a fix
But I get it, you are not happy with the thread’s continuence so I will not reply to your concerns, you have made it pretty clear
It’s not xmas nor do I indulge in such fantasies and co-operative indulgences.
