Have you read his opinions?They are tame and innocuous. I was curious because the way it was described I was expecting Main Kampf 2, but no, it’s some conservative thinking london is too diverse, whatever man you do you…
We have free speech, and that individual is entitled to share conservative opinions and vote conservative parties.
The Linux community is quite lucky if that’s the worst the community has for racism.
Either way this proves why it was a good move to shut down Discord, and I argue it would be a good move for Framework to never try to sponsor a Linux community ever again. I would suggest speaking with adults like Canonical, but I met people that have a beef with them too because they are “too corporate”. There is no winning.
Similarly, I am entitled to share my opinions about Framework and DHH, and to avoid purchasing their products.
Winning would be very easy, actually. If they had apologized, acknowledged the community’s concerns, and stopped the sponsorship, none of this would have happened. Writing that response would take 5 minutes. I find it very strange how much they’re willing to destroy to avoid doing that.
I can see that you are not a member of the groups that he is speaking so hatefully about, and likely don’t have many friends among those groups, either. I’m not going to change your mind. I hope that you never have to deal with the things that women, transgender people, and immigrants are dealing with in the West right now.
I have an issue, its more than a week old now, the form is proving useless as is the rest of the searchable internet. Live support would be nice, even if to figure out what i’m doing wrong
I do not agree with those opinions, but that individual is entitled to them. So Framework has nothing to apologize for. Framework tried to do a nice thing by sponsoring a Linux dev for a tiny amount of money, and some elements of the Linux community took offence with that for comparatively innocuous opinion that have nothing to do with his work
Take comfort that this fight over internet drama and this tiny sponsorships over innocuous opinions has confirmed the hidden costs of supporting Linux to corporations, and has ensured that the status quo of corporation taking everything, and giving nothing back to Linux development will continue.
It’s like when a collegue get a promotion. Some collegues are happy he is doing well for himself, others salty and petty about it.
At some board meeting somewhere a dev is asking to sponsor a nice open source project because of the enormous work saved, and the suits can just point to this activism and deny that. Well done!
I want Framework to succeed, and that is mutually exclusive with supporting the Linux community. Shutting down discord was the corrrect thing to do.
Sponsoring a Linux project was the wrong thing to do. Not because of technical merit and opinions, but because other Linux projects will be angry someone else is getting sponsored.
Ah yes, I think London is too brown. Who would ever be offended by such a statement?!
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I don’t care if you think the intent was racist or not. It’s irrelevant. You can think that the influx of immigrants changes culture, that’s a statement of fact. Of course it does. You can hold that assimilate is the correct thing to do. That isn’t necessarily racist.
Don’t pretend it wasn’t going to be offensive to someone. Or that those people don’t have a right to be offended. It was offensive. I’m an American white male. So my right to comment on British politics is pretty nil. But I object to mischaracterization and inaccuracy.
The Discord was retired so we can focus on our Forum here and platforms like Reddit, X, Tiktok, YouTube, etc. We recently had a job listing for a Social Media Manager, hence the shifting of that focus to our social platforms. So yes, some platforms haven’t had as much love as we’d like due to limited resource, but we’re hoping to see some changes to that in the future.
Please keep this discussion in regards to Discord only or it will be merged to the larger discussion. If you would like to discuss Omarchy/Hyprland you can always discuss it in the larger topic thread.
Could you elaborate on your role as community marketing manager? If you aren’t the head honcho for handling this kind of thing and Des got promoted to product manager, exactly who is in charge of this kind of thing at least on an interim basis?
I guess I’m asking what it is that you do and how that compares to what your job is supposed to be? This entire time I thought you were on point for community things and had to revisit the blog post when you were hired to remember your official job title.
Absolutely, I work with the community, so engaging and updating the Forum here and Reddit for example and any community projects we do such as the giveaway we recently ran around the Framework Laptop 16 spacers (which if you missed it, don’t worry, I have more plans in the future!). Our Social Media Manager is more focused on the actual content and posting on the platforms themselves like YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and all that. I hope that gives more clarity!
Adding in who has been doing it in the interim - a mix of staff due to resources. For example, I usually handle Instagram Stories if I’m at an event. It’s also why some platforms could use some love and I acknowledge that. With the Social Media Manager role, that will improve.
The decision to retire the Discord was purely a company decision to shift focus on other platforms and nothing more. It was not related to Omarchy/Hyprland or the moderators whatsoever. I don’t think I can be more clear than that.
That’s really unfortunate timing. To be clear, I’m not saying that you’re not telling the truth, but I think that by not giving the Omarchy/Hyprland issue time to settle first, you’ve really shot yourselves in the foot here. The optics aren’t great.
This action will bolster certain demographics in your community and push away others, although it might be hard to see right away. Be sure that you’re okay with that.
I’m the creator of the original discord server aka “Workframe” before framework made an official one (still around, albeit minimal activity since the official one was made, but if you want to drop by Workframe)
Politics aside, I’ll say yes, Discord is a black hole for information. Help requests (that aren’t repetitive) and general info should at minimum also be posted here or reddit. The main reason I like Discord is community. It’s hard to feel connected to people over a forum, especially if it has lots of churn and new people (eternal september).
Also large Discords suck. I almost never used the official one since it got big so fast. The framework community in general has also gotten a lot larger.
For people who just don’t like Discord specifically, we also had a bridge to a Matrix channel as well, though I don’t know if it’s still working.
You’re right; I definitely could have worded it better—I don’t mean to imply that it is specifically the racism and transphobia that is attractive to FW. Maybe a better way to say it would have been, “Refusing to exclude members of the community just because they vocally promote harmful ideology makes Framework’s owners happy.”
I do strive for intellectual honesty, so I appreciate your gentle callout.
Whatever the reason for it was, try to remember the person you are talking to very likely did not make the decision. It’s easier for a rep to appreciate your side, if you keep some level of separation between them and the actions of the company you have an issue with.
