Ah, that would be good too. Because I remember vaguely that the date was around Meteor Lake’s release, hoping to see comparisons to decide which system is better for me.
If that is truly the reason, then why are you creating this unnecessary difference in the speakers for the new 13s in the first place? From an inventory and assembly perspective, you would absolutely simplify your operation by reducing the number of base configurations needed.
This leads me to the suspicion that the reason the AMD SKU has the old speakers has nothing at all to do with “SKU diversity” (as that is a patently false argument, given the bifurcation actually creates more diversity), and more to do with you planning to wash away old inventory in the wake of the expected successful launch of a highly anticipated product.
At any rate, I didn’t notice the AMD system was loaded with the old speakers. Will we at least be able to do an exchange for a nominal fee? Kind of upsetting. Thought we were going to be getting the best of the best here. New screen? Check. New processor? Check. New speakers? Nope.
If I can’t exchange the speakers, would it be possible to swap my place in line for the mainboard only? I am fully comfortable buying all the pieces separately and assembling them myself. I don’t want the old speakers and I am truly astonished they are being included in the AMD machine. Doesn’t that kind of go against everything you purportedly stand for and are striving to build?
Edit: Nevermind. Assembling the parts separately isn’t possible yet. Guess I’ll just have to wait and see how the speakers sound and pay closer attention in future when new products are announced.
It’s been stated before that this is because they need to remove old stock.
Same as the batteries.
The new speakers aren’t actually ‘better’ in many ways, so I wouldn’t bother switching them.
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I’m sorry, I must’ve missed that. Can you direct me to that answer from FW?
Little more complicated than just removing old stock, but it’s logistical concerns.
AMD hasn’t announced the CPUs that are in 7040 Series Frameworks. They’re under an information embargo, which is why they’re not listed on the product page. Once they’re announced by AMD, Framework will confirm the specifics.
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This is what a 7840U at 28w looks like. If we end up getting HS…it’ll be amazing.
The speakers are very easily swap-able by the end user (I did it on two FW13!), and both models are available on the marketplace, so yes you can exchange them for the cost of the new pair only (plus shipping fee).
Unless they beef up the cooling compared to the previous intel ones, you likely won’t get far over 30w anyway. Personally I would not mind having the headroom the hs gives for custom builds but for the normal laptop version there is likely to be very little difference between the two because it is cooling limited and not power limited.
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Yeah, made a note of that already:
Would be kinda neat if the sold a extreme fan kit or something that just put a ridiculously loud high rpm fan in there for maybe 40-50w, not really usefull for most cases bzt would be pretty cool.
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Yeah, especially for blade / server / DIY use cases with tuneable PL1/2.
Maybe create a THICC edition of the FL13 with thicker chassis, taller fins & fan, larger battery and deeper keytravel keyboard.
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Are the power limits locked on the previous frameworks? That sounds kind of out of character, giving us an open source ec but locking down power limits.
That would be the really nice solution but probably won’t happen. I might print something once there is a solid cad for the bottom case available.
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That seems like it would be a Intel thing and less a Framework thing.
I don’t really care about intel (though I never had issues messing with the pl on those) and the pl on the amd chips is very configurable as long as the bios does not lock them down, so it would definitely be on frameworks side if they lock it down or not, and I hope they don’t.
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There’s currently no way to adjust tau on the 11th gen Framework that I’m aware of, and the CPU will be set to 28W after that…even if I give it abundance of cooling.
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So the msrs are locked by the bios then? That would be a pretty big deal if true.
Throttlestop/xtu on windows or intel-undervolt (it doesn’t just undervolt it’s just the name of the program) on linux don’t work?
After the default 56 seconds boost, it locks to 28W. Nothing the kernel or userland can do.
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Even if you raise PL1 in XTU/Throttlestop/Intel-undervolt?
At least on the intel 11th gen hardware I have access too (dell precision), xtu can still change the power limit just fine. The bios has the option to lock the msrs down before loading the os but in the case of the dell there it wasn’t done.
Is there official confirmation of framework locking down the cpu msrs, that would be a pretty big deal imo.
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It’s official: 7840u for Ryzen 7, 7640u for Ryzen 5
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