I was wondering if someone might be able to clarify the shortcomings of using the 5070 with the Gen 1 display in more granular detail. I ordered a 5070 expansion bay because I can’t wait to move on from the 7700s. I use my FW16 for gaming and video editing but almost exclusively docked via external monitors. For that reason, I wasn’t too worried about missing out on G-sync, but after watching the ShortCircuit video, they made it seem like things aren’t going to function properly in general combining the G1 panel with the 5070.
If someone could clarify what sort of headaches I may be in store for, that would be great. The 5070 already feels a little steep and it’s going to be a real tough sell if I am also required to shell out for a new screen with the same specs.
The LTT video was… kind of bad. Despite all the noise they make about labs, I generally regard most LTT releases as entertainment, not informative.
You will miss out on advanced optimus and gsync. It sounds like you’re not super broken up about Gsync. As for advanced optimus, if you want to get a feel for what this will be like, download the latest AMD drivers so you can access the Radeon software, and toggle off Smart Access Graphics. That’s the AMD equivalent for advanced optimus.
It basically gains you a bit of latency and FPS from the traditional routing of the 5070 through the iGPU. Jarrod’s Tech has noted in his resources about optimus and MUX switches, that in recent years, Microsoft’s release of CASO has made the impact of not having a MUX or Advanced Optimus less dramatic. I remember having an MSI with a 1070 where switching between the dGPU only and iGPU-dGPU was a visible difference in games. Now, I run without Smart Access Graphics enabled because the switch causes a resolution reset (I run my display at 1080p eqv for UI sizing of certain apps) and it was easier to not have to bother. The Ars Technica review (and the Short Circuit data even) seems to show that testing with the old machine with the new 5070 comes extremely close in FPS to the new however. My assumption is these tests were with the GPU swapped only, so using the gen 1 display in the old machine. If this is the case for both data sets, the performance difference is so small, the CPU change is more likely the contributing difference there.
The difference isn’t enough for me to care when I’m in most games, but I recommend you test turning off SAG for yourself, each person/use-case may have a difference in opinion.
Hi! I’m in a similar boat in that I can’t wait to move on from the 7700S and have ordered the new 5070. The Linux install guide breaks down the various bios modes for the 5070 one of which is to only use the 5070 and to ignore the iGPU. The linked article says this will increase power draw but should also make advanced Optimus completely unnecessary. This is how I’m tentatively planning on using mine unless I need to travel at which point I’ll switch it back to hybrid. Refer to step 17 of the knowledge base article below for more info.
It was mentioned couple times by framework CEO, that currently it is not possible to update firmware. They were investigate it with manufacturer but it is not possible at this moment.
While I am pretty sure that is never going happen it would be nice if the manufacturer would figure out a good way to in-field update display firmware in general.
With my last couple monitors I had to send them in to get firmware updates which made living with the few bugs they had the more convenient option. My new gigabyte oled can update firmware over the usb connection it also uses for the hub which seems like a much better option which gives me some hope that the industry is improving somewhat.