It seems that the newer 61wH battery has been unavailable for a loooong time now. Anyone have any idea what the holdup is and when it might be available again?
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No answers, but I will say this is the existential fear I have with framework. That while in theory it’s upgradable and replaceable they can just stop selling components, and the market is too small to have third parties taking up the mantle.
The 61Wh battery gets an additional year of warranty due to being less reliable than 55Wh. If it fail you can have a new one send from Framework for free. Hope it gets better after Framework communicating with ATL and fixing the bugs.
While I don’t think they will “just stop selling components” I do fear that being a niche manufacturer they will find it difficult to compete in the supply chain for components. The new 2.8K monitor is a good example. I purchased it as an upgrade (which I love being able to have this choice) to my model 13. But it is definitely not a top notch display panel. The color accuracy is terrible. They very likely had to settle for what was available to them.
Does the new 61wH battery have a bad reputation? I did see the post here about a 61wH battery swelling up and needing to be replaced. Is this a common occurrence?
The 61Wh battery is inventory, and you can order it manually by reaching out to the Support team. Support will make sure that you update to the latest BIOS, which has necessary updates to handle the 61Wh. Once we have updated BIOS available for each generation, we’ll be relisting 61Wh for general sale.
There is no bug in the battery. The firmware change is on the Mainboard end to avoid leaving the battery at full voltage for an extended period of time, which this battery chemistry isn’t optimized for.
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Thanks. I’ll do that.
One could argue that is a “bug” with the battery even if it is mitigated somewhere else.
I think is more like a “risk compensation” thing. If the very same battery chemistry is used on older laptop without BIOS charge limit options, it will be marketed as 51.85Wh. Now with more options, the battery is pushed even harder and the older 100% becomes the new 85%, and the 117% becomes the new 100%. In other words, the same chemistry is only stable long-term when charged to 51.85Wh, it can’t charge more safely because older laptops don’t have charge limit function. Later it’s found that you can charge to 117%, as long as you don’t keep it at this level all the time. Now with the charge limit and the battery extender, the former 51.85Wh becomes the now 61Wh, the previous 117% becomes the new 100%
I tend to measure the runtime of my laptop from 85% charge level although I limit my charge limit to 75% to 80% as I think the result from 85% is the “practical” runtime and the result from 100% charge is the “boosted” runtime
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