Even that is debatable.
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well the performance of it is also quite insane. considering that a couple years back a 100W 4 port charger set me back a 100 euros, the 200 for 500W with 6 ports doesnt seem that bad, and in a pinch, its a good defensive weapon.
Would have thought Framework would have had a pulse on the 240W charger situation. Do you have to do work arounds still to use the 180W charger under heavy loads without battery drain?
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Yeah, we need a BIOS update. The various 13s had many updates since launch, we’re stuck with the faulty 3.05… 
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Not that any of those fixed these particular issues on the 13 jet either.
Well, the Prime Day deal got me. I guess I’ll be trying to find out if the UGreen 240W charger exhibits the same behavior as the Delta charger.
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I played rdr2 without problems with the ugreen 500W, seemed fine to me… But I have no idea how to check gpu wattage. There was 1 problem, when the laptop ticked from 89 to 90 percent, the screen slowed to 1fps.needed to force restart. But since, the battery is at 90 percent, and seems to be stable.
Please le us know!
Will do. It’s supposed to be here today. I’ll try to do some testing on it in the next day or two to see if any oddities show up for me.
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Do you have a dgpu in your 16? If so, please test gaming and confirm whether it has the same jitter and power issue the Delta one “causes”.
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I had that happen today. Same charger, dGPU, in RDR2. I “fixed” it by limiting CPU to 3GHz (ryzen 9 variant).
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I do have the dGPU. That is my intention, though it seems like @CMDR_unematti is having issues. So we’ll see.
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That thing is like the size of a full minipc
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I can’t say for sure, but I’m 99% sure it’s larger than one of the new M4 Mac Minis, lol.
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Here is another 240W charger:
Credit to NateBoutin who posted this on the framework subreddit.
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Reading the specs of that HKY 240W charger it mentions:
"The 240w charger includes protections against overcurrent, overvoltage, and short circuits, enhancing its reliability in various operating conditions. It also supports a peak load capacity, allowing it to handle power surges up to twice its rated load for short durations. This feature is particularly beneficial for devices with high inrush currents at startup. "
I think a problem with the USB PD spec is it does not allow the charger to tell the laptop about these “peak load and power surges” capability.
If it did, the laptop charger chip could correctly set the short and long current draw limits, meaning that the laptop could pull more peaks from the charger, instead of draw the peaks from the laptop battery.
This is something we have learnt from the thread:
Mind you, the info about that charger also mentions the 5A limit, so how exactly anything can draw higher peak currents is unclear, unless more that 5A is permitted for peaks.
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As always, better look up the public spec before thinking it does not or cannot do sth. Because this
is already part of the regular source capabilities.
And there are even more detailed extensions in Extended Source Capabilities.
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As long as it still provides sustained 140W that should not matter, correct? It would just be a bit more robustness.
New to the forums here and not super technically advanced but I certainly dabble and try to learn along the way. I recently ordered a Delta 240w charger as FW had said it was capable of using one and we are all obviously experiencing the discharge issue during full loads. Was hoping this was no longer going to be the case with this charger but what I am reading doesnt seem to be resolved. I’m running Win11 with mine. Any recommendations when mine arrives? I am also waiting for my PTM 7958 swap kit from liquid metal due to the throttling issues that many have experienced and looking forward to new performace from that. Hope to see some better results.