A call on 240w adapter

Something I have noticed from the datasheet. The FW16 provided 180W psu is more efficient than the delta 240w one. So if you care about things like that, maybe only connect the 240w when you really need it, otherwise use a lower power psu. Most switch mode psu are more efficient when using 50% plus of rated power.

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Ordered mine from mouser on the 8th it shipped on the 9th and I got it on the 11th. USA. They only had 2 in stock at that time.

Received my 240w PSU by delta. But the power seems to inconsistent. Unless I run the system I power saver the dGPU power is all over the place.

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I have the Same Problem, are you using an external Screen and are you on Bios 3.05?
For me its definitly HArdware related, as it persists with Bazzite or Windows 11

Internal laptop display and I am on the 3.0.5 bios

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I had this at first, and only on a few games.

However I was on cities skylines 2 for a few hours last night and it seemed to consistently pull 90-111w to the gpu (mine is set at 115 max)

Only one I see issues with now is need for speed unbound (and EA sucks)ā€¦ so I havenā€™t found much of a root cause.

What do you mean by all over the place? Like, 50W to 100W and doesnā€™t stay put?

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I did only test with satisfactory. Is rock steady 100w on the GPU with the 180w Framework Charger but 35-80w with the 240w Charger. (Its not Tmperature throttling, the highest i ever sae on the GPU is 77C)

Power seemed to bounce between 64 and 100W in God of War. Was also happening in WoW as well. I charged up the laptop to 100 and it didnā€™t happen. It seems to happen when the battery has a slight discharge and then recharges. Watching MangoHud in Bazzite and watching the time remaining, when it disappeared and the little charging icon appeared thatā€™s when it happens.

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Iā€™ve not noticed anything similar to fluctuations with my 240W charger. Yesterday I loaded up total war warhammer 3 with proton experimental and during every benchmark Iā€™m capped at 100W. Iā€™ll certainly keep my eye out though.

Going to discharge the battery and look at the effect of having the battery reduced when I try it.

I noticed in Total war Warhammer 3 on the Linux version, if the laptopā€™s charging indicator disappeared the FPS capped to 30ā€¦

Okay, Iā€™ve collected some results from different tests and I think thereā€™s definitely something up.

So starting from a discharged battery, and connecting the charger to it my GPU hovers around 35-40W while playing total war warhammer.

After it charged up to full, I still wasnā€™t seeing the GPU go to full power.

After rebooting the game while at full charge:

It only goes up to 100 briefly, I assume when the battery is full and beginning the discharge phase, because it drops back down to how the 2nd image is.

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Great Test, thank you. I have limited my Battery to 80% since Day one. I will test with a Full Charge sometime. Its essential to have it working when i an on the Road again. At home im only connected to my 90w PD Screen and my eGPU so im not using the dGPU. :sweat_smile:

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I too keep mine limited at 80%

I went ahead and created a GitHub issue for this:

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Just curious - has anyone tested using the 3.04 or 3.03 bios?

I think we can still roll back?

My laptop is almost always at 100% so that may explain why I am not seeing the issue. But I can try and roll back and see what the GPU watts looks like at a lower percent.

13 posts were split to a new topic: Framework 16 BIOS Rollback

Mine just shipped, ~7 days after I ordered it.
By the way, the comment above left me a bit confusedā€”is the problem serious, or is this charger fine to use?

Sometimes, I think people can get too caught up in ā€œracingā€ benchmarks. Iā€™ve been using the Delta 240w charger for a few weeks and itā€™s fine for me. The battery no longer drains when Iā€™m running games, which is what Iā€™m expecting and a satisfactory result to me.

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Based on what I found when documenting the issue above, it would seem that the reason the battery doesnā€™t drain could be because the laptop isnā€™t running at full power. The DGPU on my system with the 240W bounces between 73W and 80W, when the framework charger makes the DGPU run at 100W. Performance suffers and the laptop doesnā€™t appear to be making the best use of the 240W charger while in performance mode.

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Try running the laptop in balanced while connected to the 240W charger. I tried it because I had a thought about the original charger not draining while in balanced, and it looks like it gives the DGPU a more normal power usageā€¦

I have updated the GitHub issue with the new findings.