Sad to see you go… Your journey started off so well at the beginning.
Hope you’ll come back in the future when the Framework laptop fits your use cases.
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Is this something that isn’t happening on the 12th gen laptops? The battery drain during power-off. I couldn’t find anything new about the expansion slot issue. But the latest LTT video mentioned that that should be fixed?
Hi.
It isn’t clear as to which battery you refer to.
It’s not really possible to measure the ML 1220 (RTC|CMOS) battery lose, so I hope/imagine you are referring to the main battery. If this is the case then there is no reason it should loose 27% in 8 days, some 4% a day.
My 11 gen doesn’t loose any charge when shut down properly, and I see no reason why the 12gen should have a problem.
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Maybe I misunderstood the problem. I thought the main battery was loosing charge during power-off. I didn’t notice it was about the CMOS battery. And since it is replaceable, it is not that much of an issue. Still, it’s wasteful.
I’m not sure what the 27% refers to but it would make sense someone has an issue with the main battery.
Regarding the small CMOS ML 1220 it should last for many years, depending upon use. It has a capacity for 3 weeks and at least 100 cycles, so 300 weeks, or a good four years.
I imagine I’ll get four years out of each battery. 
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Yeah, OP experienced two issues:
- Main battery drain even when fully shutdown with 3.10 BIOS.
- Can’t power up even when main battery has charge, until AC adapter was plugged in.
That sounds like the ML 1220 wasn’t fully or well charged before the 8 day break. Maybe there were other long breaks before and little use in between. After 8 days I’d want to power up for 12 hours to be safe.
On the first issue ‘fully shutdown’ sounds definitive, but I’ve no idea waht really happened. Hopefully the OP can charge for 24 hours andcheck again after afew days.
I only charge to 78% > power off over night > use again the next evening and the charge is still 78% ??
Me neither.
At this point, all we know for sure is that more and more people will continue to run into various forms for “Can’t power / boot up” and / or “Main battery drain” issues…until they’re all fixed. It’s just a matter of time before one would experience it themself.
BIOS release note states that “main battery drain during off state” (symptom) was fixed…but it seems like it ‘fixed’ one of the causes…but not all the causes. So the symptom is still showing up.
Don’t say things like that
Yes but only in that state, there was no mention of a discharging battery and hence no fix.
haha…anything that could go wrong, would eventually go wrong when given enough time. Or, as the Chinese say, if you go up to the mountain enough time, you’ll eventually come across a tiger.
Agree…the issue seems to be there, still.
There’s nothing to fix in relation to the text/argument ??
What could possibly go wrong? It’s a machine with a finite working ‘life’ that like people it will die one day is not ‘wrong’
Hope I’m not poking the tiger, or should that be pulling it’s tale
In the OP.
Are you not following…or am I not following?
In 3.09 Beta:
“Reduce main battery drain in off state by turning off analog reference in charger IC.”
Now, given the wording of “reduce” and not “eliminiate”…is a drain of 27% of the main battery over 8 days the expected behaviour for BIOS 3.10? (e.g. It was really bad before 3.09…and now…not as bad?)
Right…what could…
The issue is presented as a relationship.
- 8 days later not being able to start seems more like an ML 1220 discharge, which ‘shouldn’t’ happen in 8 days if it was fully charged
- I consider the 27% drop in the main battery an undefined user issue and not related to the laptop no starting
Further I don’t see that either have anything to do with the BIOS other than co-incidental.
Still some laptops are set up differently than mine, so it will remain am mystery to me maybe.
I didn’t know this issue wasn’t fixable. I’m probably going to have to get rid of mine too. I often leave my laptop powered down for 3-4 days at a time and when I try and turn it back on, it won’t boot up unless I plug it into the wall. Never had that issue with any other laptop.
Oh well. It was a nice experiment.
There are two possibilities
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a) You are using ‘sleep’ mode when you close which will drain the battery is not set up to go to hibernate after a 5% drop in battery charge. However the battery is already low then even that won’t help
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b) You have not run the laptop on charge for long enough to charge the ML 1220 RTC|CMOS battery. This battery has a maximum charge viability for at most three weeks. It requires charging for ideally a couple of hours a day, i.e. the laptop needs to used connected to the mains for 2 hours a day or some 9 hours a week to be sure it is charged.
If this isn’t your use case then you may well have such problems and deem the laptop not to your ‘taste’.
If you want to keep it for a while please apply power for 24 hours to ensure the ML 1220 is fully charged to see if that helps.
All the best
I’m quite shocked to read this. I was expecting a laptop, not a desktop. Coming from Mac Hardware this is a thing I didn’t expect at all from the framework.
In fact I have my old MacBook Air 2015 also runnin on Fedora 36 which outperforms the framework in both sleeping and off power consumption.
Getting the feeling my choice of buying the framework was wrong. 
Simon
You are not clear about your use case so no idea what your problem is.
When powered off I loose 1% a day,
but beware the battery is only 55W and even at a low browsing use watching video I only get about 5 hours.
Like I should be using the laptop for that long in one go, but I do, but I have power nearby so not an issue.
Hello, is there any advantage to updating to Bios 3.10?
When I try on my Windows 10 Home install it says “The BIOS image to be updated is invalid for Secure Flash or onboard BIOS does not support Secure Flash.” I’ve tried changing Secure Boot settings a few time with no luck.
Tim