Are you keeping your Framework laptop?

Mine has been a daily driver since December and I am absolutely keeping it. It is reliable and quite stable for me, more so than comparably priced Thinkpads and Dell XPS notebooks. I have some minor pain points, but would definitely be a returning customer in the future.

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Iā€™m probably keeping mine, though I rate it a 6/10 as a daily driver.

My primary problems with it are the problems of any new laptop (I absolutely cannot stand the state of todayā€™s laptops). Two things every new laptop seems to have: Modern Standby, and a god-awful touchpad. I just deleted 3 paragraphs explaining why, because honestly, nobody cares :joy: Been a laptop-first user for almost 20 years now. Touchpads fill the need for me, not needing a mouse ā€“ unless they suck. I hate that Framework makes me reach for a mouse, and I can be on my nearly-10-year-old $150 Dell Latitude and feel more at-home there, than the daily I spent $1k+ on.

I just really hope Framework will offer a touchpad swap with buttons, and perhaps an AMD-based motherboard that disposes with Modern Standby.

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Keeping mine, and Iā€™m very happy with mine. I was coming from a Surface Pro 4 that was on its last legs. I donā€™t need a beast of a machine so the Framework is good for what I need and I support their visions of repairability. I know how unrepairable some manufacturers make it, I successfully replaced the screen on my SP4.

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I got mine in batch 2, and Iā€™m keeping it - itā€™s my daily driver and I use it a ton. Iā€™d like better battery life, especially when sleeping, but otherwise Iā€™ve been very happy with it.

Too big - picks up stray movement.
No OEM driver from no-name company PixArt - no fine tuning, no filtering. (BTW, Iā€™m a Windows user - maybe itā€™s less terrible in Linux)
Slide-clicks unavoidable - go to click something, end up clicking something else.
Inaccurate - despite being a touchpad-first user for around 20 years, only on this specific touchpad, Iā€™m constantly missing targets when moving the cursor. This is far harder to quantify, but itā€™s a constant pain point.

OK, well, :man_shrugging: I use sleep exclusively - except now with the Framework Iā€™m manually putting it to hibernate every night, knowing itā€™ll burn 5% battery unnecessarily before going to hibernate anyway otherwise. Done with the computer, I close the lid. Use the computer, open it up. I hate the excessive SSD write wear that constant hibernate does.

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Keeping it, yes. Do I use it much? Not really. I have an M1 MBA for work, another personal M1 MBA, a 2013 MBP that I really need to donate, and a Raspberry Pi 4. I use the MBAs daily; the battery life is incredible.

I use the Framework for Stardew Valley.

I bought it to support the company. It was worth the money.

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Keeping Framework Laptop. But only using it when watching movies now. My daily driver in personal life is still around 7 years old Mac Book Air (Intel Core i5, 11.6 inch). I am much more comfortable on Fedora (tailing manager i3 and sway) than mac OS. But following 2 things are my criteria to migrate my personal data to Framework Laptop.

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Keeping. With suspend then hibernate, most of the battery drain issues donā€™t really affect me anymore. During the day I use a company provided laptop connected to an external monitor and mechanical keyboard, but after hours this is my go-to machine - the keyboard and screen quality really help.

I set it to powersave in GNOME - havenā€™t done much additional tweaking besides running powertop when I remember - if I need to do a large software compilation I can turn it up, but when at home I outsource it to my Asus Mini PC (8-core Ryzen) anyway

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Of course I am keeping it.

Iā€™m batch 2 DIY and bought it because it EXACTLY fit my needs, supports the software I use, and the design requirements. Add the Repairability & Frameworks goals, and it is perfect - for me.

FYI I do electronics, hardware, and software design. Along with 3D modeling, Live multi-camera video production, sound & video editing, communications protocol analysis, a ton of internet support, consulting, and more.

It has been rock solid, hit 5.1 in my benchmarks, does fine on battery life and temps are great.

I donā€™t use sleep or hibernate on any computer because I have the patience to shutdown (20.84 seconds)

Power up takes less time than my enjoying some coffee (30.02 seconds to fully signed inā€¦ with BIOS display on & my chosen boot delay)

Yep I donā€™t understand why folks need faster on/off than that.

Order date: July 23, 2021 (Batch 2)

CPU: IntelĀ® Coreā„¢ i7-1165G7

Memory: 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200

WiFi: IntelĀ® Wi-Fi 6E AX210 No vProĀ®

Operating System: Windows 10 Home (Download)

Storage: 500GB - WD_BLACKā„¢ SN750 NVMeā„¢.

With most recent firmware and drivers.

Current Modules installed:
Back Left: USB-C
Front Left: USB-C
Back Right: 250g storage (1 per client)
Front Right: USB-A

I own several more of USB-C & A, 2 HDMI, DVI, micro SD, several 250g storage, 4 of my own modā€™d modules for my special projects.

I use a USB-C expansion adapter at my desk for all my external USB devices, 3 monitors, LAN, power delivery, etc - so I have 1 cable to connect.

And found through the forum here a great carry case for travel.

Whatā€™s not to likeā€¦

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Guess Iā€™ll be keeping mine around thenā€¦and remind myself that Frameworkā€™s laptop is a platform. Hope the next mainboard will be better.

For now, Iā€™ll just go and grab this for the time being (i7-1280p, 16:10 QHD+, 100% DCI-P3, touch and pen support, flip / yoga :
# Summit E14 Flip Evo

Info: Summit E14 Flip Evo - Determined to Succeed

Ouch, 16gb soldered RAM for $1800ā€¦

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Hence, for nowā€¦until Framework has a newer more solid mainboard & BIOS offering.
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Thatā€™s CAD, so about 1400 USD, right?

Yeahā€¦

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Framework seems to be behind in the time to market game. Later than other competition means no offering at the moment (and thereā€™s no timeline / announcement either). Thatā€™s just pushing potential supporters / customers to look elsewhere.

Hold on, it has soldered RAM and itā€™s still thicker than the Framework? I feel they didnā€™t even try.

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Wonder if itā€™s due to the flip and touch related design (structurally needs to be more robust?).

Shouldnā€™t matter. 2-in-1 is just a hinge implementation (and more aggressive thermal throttling because hand-held). HP 2-in-1s have socketed RAM.

Guess theyā€™re not trying then. Thinness is overratedā€¦but I do like having DIMM slots, but as a stop gap measureā€¦I donā€™t see myself using the MSI more than 6 months anywayā€¦something better will come along (hopefully from Framework by then).

Wish I had $1800 to throw away like that :joy:

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Heck yeah Iā€™m keeping it. Batch 5 with hard use: worked on course development in a rainforest in Belize and will be taking it to a cacao farm in Grenada next week. Iā€™ve run Zoom courses on it for a dozen students worldwide (much nicer camera than any laptop Iā€™ve had). I use the beast.

Sure, power management could be better, but I got 6 hours of flight-time reviewing a 250 page PDF and still had nearly 70% battery remaining. I used to hibernate to avoid power loss during suspend, but now I just turn the machine off. It boots in like 5 seconds anyway.

Iā€™ve seen folks grumble about the lack of ports. Maybe they havenā€™t noticed that you can swap ports in and out as you need them, which I very much do. Usually I run with just a USB-C and some snack drawers; last week I dropped in the HDMI and USB-A for a class.

Only significant problem I had was my hinge. After a bit of noise, Framework sent me a replacement which is far superior to the original. And their customer support has improved a lot since then.

Iā€™ve used ASUS Zenbooks (nice, but the power supplies eventually give out), XPS13 and 15s (last longer, but the displays eventually give out), and my current ā€œother laptopā€ is a Thinkpad X1 Carbon (really nice, nearly indestructable, ridiculously good customer service, but I also paid a substantial amount for a 5 year onsite repair contract). In the end, the Framework is the most Linux-friendly of all of them. I run Manjaro-Gnome and nearly everything just worked out of the box. Even the fingerprint reader. That honestly never happens.

Are there things Framework still needs to nail down? Absolutely, but theyā€™ve shown that they learn and improve as the go. Ditching my Framework at this point would be short-sighted.

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