Are you keeping your Framework laptop?

Have had mine for 9 months, intend to keep it for many more…

Still haven’t gotten over the lack of Trackpoint but the rest more than makes up for the sub-par ThinkPad choices of $currentyear.

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Batch 6 machine (~Jan 2022) and still keeping mine. As others have pointed out, it’s not a perfect machine. A few major reasons I’m keeping: 1) it’s still a bang-for-buck device compared to similarly spec’d laptops in my 3rd world country despite freight forwarding, 2) I love the 3:2 screen for my work and these are essentially non-existent in my country, 3) I view Framework as a platform on which future improvements are made upon. I view the repairability as awesome, but something I wish I’d never have to use. The modularity is where it’s at.

I, too, have several pain points with the Framework laptop, but I guess these are part of the risks of being early adopters and buying into a Gen 1 product.

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Mine has been a daily driver since December and I am absolutely keeping it. It is reliable and quite stable for me, more so than comparably priced Thinkpads and Dell XPS notebooks. I have some minor pain points, but would definitely be a returning customer in the future.

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I’m probably keeping mine, though I rate it a 6/10 as a daily driver.

My primary problems with it are the problems of any new laptop (I absolutely cannot stand the state of today’s laptops). Two things every new laptop seems to have: Modern Standby, and a god-awful touchpad. I just deleted 3 paragraphs explaining why, because honestly, nobody cares :joy: Been a laptop-first user for almost 20 years now. Touchpads fill the need for me, not needing a mouse – unless they suck. I hate that Framework makes me reach for a mouse, and I can be on my nearly-10-year-old $150 Dell Latitude and feel more at-home there, than the daily I spent $1k+ on.

I just really hope Framework will offer a touchpad swap with buttons, and perhaps an AMD-based motherboard that disposes with Modern Standby.

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Hi @Matt_Falcon

I trying to understnd your problems:

What problems do you have with the touchpad?
I’ve never had a desktop computer until I bought a Raspberry Pi last year and had to buy a mouse and keyboard all very clunky and ???

My first computer was a Sinclair > no touchpar or mouse
My second was a laptop Zenith > no touchpad or mouse
Then my first modern laptop an ACI with a touchpad > very smart :slight_smile: that’s way back in 1996 at £2,500 the equivalent of £5,000 today.
The touchpad on this Framework seems perfectly fine to me so maybe you could explain waht you find so unpleasant?

As for Modern Standby. I rarely use ‘sleep’ mode, don’t use ‘Fast start up’ but do use hibernate up to a dozen times a day.

Again I can’t imagine what problems you may have ??

Of course you don’t have to answer and maybe it’s taking this off topic and it may be better to discuss these issues separately.

All the best.

Keeping mine, and I’m very happy with mine. I was coming from a Surface Pro 4 that was on its last legs. I don’t need a beast of a machine so the Framework is good for what I need and I support their visions of repairability. I know how unrepairable some manufacturers make it, I successfully replaced the screen on my SP4.

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I got mine in batch 2, and I’m keeping it - it’s my daily driver and I use it a ton. I’d like better battery life, especially when sleeping, but otherwise I’ve been very happy with it.

Too big - picks up stray movement.
No OEM driver from no-name company PixArt - no fine tuning, no filtering. (BTW, I’m a Windows user - maybe it’s less terrible in Linux)
Slide-clicks unavoidable - go to click something, end up clicking something else.
Inaccurate - despite being a touchpad-first user for around 20 years, only on this specific touchpad, I’m constantly missing targets when moving the cursor. This is far harder to quantify, but it’s a constant pain point.

OK, well, :man_shrugging: I use sleep exclusively - except now with the Framework I’m manually putting it to hibernate every night, knowing it’ll burn 5% battery unnecessarily before going to hibernate anyway otherwise. Done with the computer, I close the lid. Use the computer, open it up. I hate the excessive SSD write wear that constant hibernate does.

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Keeping it, yes. Do I use it much? Not really. I have an M1 MBA for work, another personal M1 MBA, a 2013 MBP that I really need to donate, and a Raspberry Pi 4. I use the MBAs daily; the battery life is incredible.

I use the Framework for Stardew Valley.

I bought it to support the company. It was worth the money.

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Keeping Framework Laptop. But only using it when watching movies now. My daily driver in personal life is still around 7 years old Mac Book Air (Intel Core i5, 11.6 inch). I am much more comfortable on Fedora (tailing manager i3 and sway) than mac OS. But following 2 things are my criteria to migrate my personal data to Framework Laptop.

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Keeping. With suspend then hibernate, most of the battery drain issues don’t really affect me anymore. During the day I use a company provided laptop connected to an external monitor and mechanical keyboard, but after hours this is my go-to machine - the keyboard and screen quality really help.

I set it to powersave in GNOME - haven’t done much additional tweaking besides running powertop when I remember - if I need to do a large software compilation I can turn it up, but when at home I outsource it to my Asus Mini PC (8-core Ryzen) anyway

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Yes Ah! hadn’t thought of that.

Trackpad though seems fine on Windows and Ubuntu but will check it all out. Since the buttons disappeared, maybe even ten years ago I only ever use a tap on the touchpad so don’t use the click :slight_smile: I got used to a touch screen on other devices.

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Of course I am keeping it.

I’m batch 2 DIY and bought it because it EXACTLY fit my needs, supports the software I use, and the design requirements. Add the Repairability & Frameworks goals, and it is perfect - for me.

FYI I do electronics, hardware, and software design. Along with 3D modeling, Live multi-camera video production, sound & video editing, communications protocol analysis, a ton of internet support, consulting, and more.

It has been rock solid, hit 5.1 in my benchmarks, does fine on battery life and temps are great.

I don’t use sleep or hibernate on any computer because I have the patience to shutdown (20.84 seconds)

Power up takes less time than my enjoying some coffee (30.02 seconds to fully signed in… with BIOS display on & my chosen boot delay)

Yep I don’t understand why folks need faster on/off than that.

Order date: July 23, 2021 (Batch 2)

CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-1165G7

Memory: 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200

WiFi: Intel® Wi-Fi 6E AX210 No vPro®

Operating System: Windows 10 Home (Download)

Storage: 500GB - WD_BLACK™ SN750 NVMe™.

With most recent firmware and drivers.

Current Modules installed:
Back Left: USB-C
Front Left: USB-C
Back Right: 250g storage (1 per client)
Front Right: USB-A

I own several more of USB-C & A, 2 HDMI, DVI, micro SD, several 250g storage, 4 of my own mod’d modules for my special projects.

I use a USB-C expansion adapter at my desk for all my external USB devices, 3 monitors, LAN, power delivery, etc - so I have 1 cable to connect.

And found through the forum here a great carry case for travel.

What’s not to like…

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Guess I’ll be keeping mine around then…and remind myself that Framework’s laptop is a platform. Hope the next mainboard will be better.

For now, I’ll just go and grab this for the time being (i7-1280p, 16:10 QHD+, 100% DCI-P3, touch and pen support, flip / yoga :
# Summit E14 Flip Evo

Info: Summit E14 Flip Evo - Determined to Succeed

Ouch, 16gb soldered RAM for $1800…

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Hence, for now…until Framework has a newer more solid mainboard & BIOS offering.
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That’s CAD, so about 1400 USD, right?

Yeah…

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Framework seems to be behind in the time to market game. Later than other competition means no offering at the moment (and there’s no timeline / announcement either). That’s just pushing potential supporters / customers to look elsewhere.

Hold on, it has soldered RAM and it’s still thicker than the Framework? I feel they didn’t even try.

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Wonder if it’s due to the flip and touch related design (structurally needs to be more robust?).