Really happy with the Laptop.
I want ECC RAM. !!!
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To support all of the features listed below, a Thinkpad style chassis, or to get away from using brand names, a business/professional/light industrial chassis; Take inspiration from the T61 or the last era of classic Thinkpads from Lenovo with the IBM era style 7-row keyboard. This also includes a durable plastic exterior (in flat/matte black as an option please). Overall get away from Apple-inspired design for this chassis.
Most would term this a chunky/thicker case option than the stock chassis, which is technically true but those terms applied to laptops usually form a negative connotation, anyone requesting this just wants a chassis that has adequate room for all the features that come along with the request, and essentially itās a call to ignore thickness/slim design as a major criterion for the total thickness of the design. As long as itās no thicker than a 2010s ThinkPad, I think most asking for such a chassis would not have any complaints.
*Water/liquid drainage built into this new chassis would be awesome but not a dealbreaker/maker
- Downward-facing LED light on display bezel (Thinklight style) for document or other illumination needs
- Bezel-mounted status/activity lights
- Manual kill switch for WiFi & BlueTooth
- Physical webcam privacy cover
- Trackpoint style mouse input options WITH dedicated top trackpad PHYSICAL buttons
- A low-profile mechanical and/or Classic Thinkpad style 7-row keyboard
- Wacom or other pen stylus digitizer
- Matte/non-reflective screen
- Quick swap external battery (would also be awesome if this used 18650 or other off-the-shelf/industry standard-sized lithium cells)
- a dedicated GPU option (either gaming-oriented or workstation, both preferably)
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Since my original post of this went into the wrong thread, Iām fine posting it all here. Makes more sense.
->Expansion Cards: The fit is loose and lack good tolerances. Most importantly we are stuck with a laptop that can only have 3 ports 
given one is for charging. A separate charging port on the laptop so it doesnāt eat up one expansion port would be good, even if it was just for charging. I think it would have been better to make the left side full of all the needed ports, RJ45, SD, USB, USB-C, then on the right side have 2 expansion cards like what you have now. Best of both worlds without compromising on ports and needing dongles or extra card swapping. Iād love a laptop with both SD and mSD slots.
->Screen Options - glossy, matte, touch, 13.5" then do a 15" then a 14" then a 16". This is easy, you simply make new cases and lids. Same mainboard, just a side width extension for the thunderbolt ports. You could even have started with the same battery if you had to then offer bigger ones later. Choose a 16:10 screen format so there are lots of choices out to choose from. The 3:2 format is limited in panel choices and resolutions. Thereās no reason you couldnāt offer a matte, heck the screen you have now comes in both matte and glossy. Look for screens with a wider color gamut so you can get professionals who do editing pictures and videos. Adobe RGB or DCIP3 will blow your socks off seeing those side by side with sRGB what most people are used to. Oh and keep the screens 400 or better 500 nits of brightness.
->I think the laptop may simply be too thin. A thicker laptop and you could have a bigger battery, kinda stuck now with what you have.
->A little bigger fan and you could have kept it quiet. Something everyone wants is a quiet laptop. The thermal capacity of the 12th gen is a lot, and there are plenty of complaints of fan noise. Thicker laptop could lead to a thicker fan.
->Heat pipes are a bit small, when comparing to what other manufacturers are using.
->offer U series chips. They are simply the best choice for laptops, especially thin ones. It shouldnāt be too hard change the mainboards, much easier than changing to AMD chips. Iām sure people think they want a P series, but offer the U if it isnāt too much work because they would surprise the community in what is actually capable of in real world use. Having a P series thatās thermally limited to a U doesnāt do much good, but eat up more battery life.
->I understand the choice you made for Intel, but you have a large number of customers asking for AMDā¦ something to consider.
->Keyboard Choices, thereās no reason you canāt offer different keyboards with different travel and force. Your existing keyboard has good force but feels mushy, itās not tactile like. You should make the ctrl and fn keys the same width, allow people to swap them physically and in the bios. Easy thing to do and opens more doors for people that want thinkpad/mac style. Easy to do.
->Colorā¦ offer it as a choice, and perhaps build your own identity. I think a dark gray would be ideal for a laptopā¦ seriously, dark gray would look awesome with a black keyboard
->ruggedized case option, oh lots of people would love that. Think half way between a normal laptop and a Toughbook. But it has to have a handle on it like the Toughbook, Iām jealous of my friends have have Toughbooks because the handle is so nice.
->m.2 slot for 4G that could be used for a 2nd hard driveā¦ but if youāre limited by pci lanes I understand why it wasnāt implemented. Keep the main SSD 4 lanes for sure.
->magnesium instead of aluminum housing option?
->different hinge design that fixes the wobble - please? Perhaps a hack that puts something into the hinge as hysteresis would help?
->oh and the little booklet you send with the laptop, how can anyone read that small of print? Please make it bigger.
These are all doable things and repeated many times by others. Letās focus on what your customers are asking for and your business will grow.
I donāt know all the technical terms, or the specs, but Iām looking for a powerful creator laptop. I want at least 15-16 inch OLED screen, Core-i7 processor or similar, 16 to 32 GB RAM, 1-2 T DDR, massive battery life, really high refresh rate. You get the gist. Lots of ports. Separate graphics card.
Title pretty much says it all. My work just got me a Lenovo Yoga and itās just so much nicer for my workflow to be able to flip the screen around and navigate and interact by touch. A bunch of apps I use for my day job, side gigs, and a few for entertainment work better with touch and as much as I love my Framework, I really miss being able to do those things on my own laptop. My one hope is that I could some day install a touchscreen on my Framework much more easily than I could probably so much as upgrade RAM on the Yoga (havenāt verified that, donāt quote me).
Would a mid-lid hinge like on the old Sony Vaio Flips or the Surface Studios be easier to implement with the current body design than a 360 style hinge? Or hell, just a touch interface with the current 4kg hinges would be an improvement.
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Hi, there is some posibilities for dedicated gpu renaissance with framework?
Can we have a UEFI toggle to disable Modern Standby S0 sleep from the firmware? This helps work around a battery drainage issue from a poor implementation of the feature by Microsoft.
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I Second the Modern standby feature. I want actual S1, S2, S3 Sleep states! Not the garbage āmodernā standby!
I have just bought a second hand X280, after avoiding Thinkpads for many decades because of price to performance.
I think this would be expensive, but with the the new BIOS firmware, can I request for something similar to Thinkpadās UEFI diagnostic menu?
I kinda missed built in BIOS diagnostics. I use boot drives for stuff like memtest on my desktop when troubleshooting.
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As Framework adds upgrades, you should add ways of reusing that part. Obviously you guys already demoed a battery enclosure, but a display enclosure to make your old one into an external display would be great, especially if you guys make a touch screen. I wouldnāt want to upgrade my screen if it meant wasting a perfectly good piece of tech. Also an enclosure for the track pad and keyboard might be a good idea, maybe even the camera.
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Hey! New here.
Been eyeing FW laptops for a while, really like the concept. Thereās one thing thatās making me hesitate on buying a Framework 13 ā the lack of ports. I appreciate the customisation, however i think 4 ports is really too less. My current HP laptop for example has 2x USB A, 1x Type C, 1x HDMI, 1x LAN, 1x SIM card, 1x headphone jack and a couple of enterprise focused slots. My previous Dell also had 3x USB, a VGA port, headphone and mic jacks, LAN, and SD card slot. So I would like to suggest the following changes to the current 4 expansion ports available on the framework 13:
- Provide 2x USB-A ports instead of 1x on each USB-A expansion card. This will at least increase the density of ports. So e.g. 2x USB-C + 1x double USB-A card + HDMI could be viable for many people.
- Hardwire one USB-C on each side of the laptop, and then leave two more slots on each side for customization.
I think both steps together will significantly improve the situation (but there are probably other ways too). Otherwise at the moment it feels like Iām either going to carry around a lot of expansion cards, or just end up with 2-4x USB-C ports and carry around a multi-port hub.
Currently in my daily usage I might use 3x USB-A, 1x USB-C, 1x HDMI and 1x power connector simultaneously. Sometimes I may also want to read an SD card or connect to ethernet. So Iād want at least 6-8 ports on my laptop, and having to switch them out frequently would be a bit annoying.
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This has been suggested quite a few times and thereās actually a dedicated thread for it. Unfortunately it is almost impossible to preserve full functionality given the space restraints of an expansion card.
This would cause a couple issues:
- The expansion cards donāt just serve to allow you to add functionality, they also protect the USB-C ports built into the mainboard. They sort of act as a sacrificial part so you can replace the expansion card if the port gets damaged rather than damage the mainboard.
- It would require a chassis and board redesign, going against Frameworkās principle of upgradability.
Take a look at the Framework Laptop 16! It was recently announced and will be launching sometime soon featuring 6x expansion card slots.
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Not to mention that the current 13" Framework laptops use up all of their PCIe lanes to allow all four ports to be thunderbolt 4, plus give lanes to the storage, so there arenāt any left for more ports.
+1 preferably a colored oneā¦
I would like a fanless option that just has a lower running frequency or throttles it when it gets to hot.
I agree with other posts that having multiple ports or features on an expansion card would be nice; the sd card reader could add a usb port or add 2 usb a connectors per card.
256GB of RAM just as AMD 7040 CPU can support it.
It likely supports more once bigger ram modules come out. The max ram ratings of cpus are often based on currently available stuff, like the 6600u has a max rating of 32gb but does 64 just fine, itās just that 32gb sodimms were not available when it came out.
Iām honestly quite confused by this practice, in theory 64-bit addressing allows for far more than the maximum memory supported on the manufacturers website.
Simply basing it upon the currently available DIMMs seems like such a horrible practice.
My confusion is immeasurable!!
There is a bit more to it than the cpu having enough address space. Memory controllers are freaking weird.
Memory is supposed to be cheap so it is very dumb and all of the complexity is in the memory controller on the cpu, if that has limitations there isnāt really much the memory can do.
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I think it has something to do with legalā¦
You canāt say something is āsupportedā without having it being tested with first. āSupportedā canāt be theoretical. Also, from a product perspective, you also canāt claim that itās āsupportedā by a one-off engineering sample (e.g. self-made memory module), it has to be tested with available components from the consumer / target market audience perspective of whatās available to them.
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