Framework 12 I3 performance

ive been considering buying a framework 12 with the 13th gen i3 recently and ive been wondering if it would be fast enough for me or at least a good upgrade from a lenovo with a ryzen 3250U apu

i plan on mostly using it for casual stuff and maybe game streaming from my PC as well as drawing on the touchscreen with the stylus, i also plan on using linux on it with 8gb of ram (i would get 16 but the current prices kinda make that impossible)

id also like to know if the difference between a 15 inch screen and a 12.2 inch screen is as big of a difference as it seems or if its something that ill get used to reasonably quickly

also another addition i have for this
does the framework 12 fit a longer SSD than a 2230 cause if i were to order one there is a high chance id order an SSD seperately to save money and since i dont need 512gb

Since that’s just a dual core processor, the i3 in the FW12 should be significantly faster with its 2P+4E cores.

As per specs, the FW12 only supports 2230 SSDs.

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What OS are you going to be running? A Linux distro or Windows? I have my FW12 set up dual boot, Debian/Windows. 90% of the time I run Firefox for web content consumption, photography blogs & sites, Linux blogs…etc. I’ll also use this set up to view occasional videos. And, web access to various household management sites, CC cards, banking…etc. I started out with 16Gb of memory. Every thing works just fine, no issues, snappy performance. Never felt paced by the machine.

Over in the Windows world, I run Lightroom, nothing more. In fact I’ve pared things down as much as possible so as to get rid of all the bloatware & apps I never use. And with 16Gb it ran just fine, maybe every once and a while I’d notice a little lag (running on battery with CPU throttled down) but nothing scary. As ram prices started to rise I bumped up the memory to 32Gb. Paid more than I wished, but I didn’t want to pay even more later on down the line. If you are going to run Windows and do some gaming I’d advise getting at least 16Gb of memory or more. I’m not a gamer so I let other correct me if I’m wrong.

As for screen size I’ve used systems with 27" monitors all the way down to iPad mini’s over the years. I find nothing lacking size wise with the FW12. In fact for a 1080P display I was impressed just how robust visually the FW12 screen is.

GL

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Rod

im most definitely gonna be running some flavor of linux with KDE, most likely arch or fedora

im not even considering going back to windows and im already using arch on my current laptop that i want to upgrade from

okay i did some price comparisons and id be saving about 100 eur if i were to buy ram and storage seperately so im probably gonna do that

and yeah good to know itll be significantly faster cause that ryzen 3 is painfully slow even in arch

Not a KDE user myself nor Arch. So can’t comment how that might work for you.

I wrote a while ago about how I “modeled” FW12 performance to help figure out how it might work for me. I used a memory/CPU challenged VERY basic (read cheap) ASUS laptop with an older version i3 CPU. You can see that here: FW 12" Laptop Questions - #7 by RodC Maybe you can clean some useful info from it that will help with your decision.

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Rod

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yeah after doing a bit research on the performance it seems like it should be more than enough for my usecase even with 8gb of ram (unless i end up getting 16 but thats unlikely if the prices keep going up)

Writing this on an i3 FW 12 with 32 gb, on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (pretty fast and optimized distro all in all) with Gnome (obviously not the fastest and leanest DE out there).

For general computing it’s perfect - not laggy or slow at all, and fun to use. I was worried it’d feel like a serious downgrade from what I’ve used to with larger, more expensive laptops, but as long as you don’t do anything that really taxes the CPU (it’s obviously not meant to be a “grown up” gaming or music production laptop), it’s a snappy little machine - even with the generations old low-end CPU.

I’d be equally fine with 16 gb of memory, 32 gb is overkill. On the other hand, I feel like 8 gb might often be a performance limiting factor these days, so that’s one thing I’d consider carefully, if you can eg. find used/recycled memory for cheaper. Especially if you always tend to keep a bunch of browser tabs open like I do. I exceed the 8 gigabyte active memory boundary all the time with this particular computer in normal use, 16 very rarely if at all, and 32 practically never, so I’d guess anything under 16 gigabytes would make the laptop feel a lot less fun to use for me and OTOH anything over that is actually a bit of a waste of money for now. YMMV - you can always be actively mindful of the memory use and do with less.

As for the other questions, some people adapt to smaller screens really easily, others struggle. I’ve now got 16", 14" and 12" laptops around (the biggest one being the work laptop), and don’t find there’s much of a difference in general use. It’s only when I do something that really actively needs screen estate - eg. making music or professional software development - that I actually really want a bigger screen. For web browsing, sketching, writing, light gaming and so on, 12 is as good as 16, for me with my eyesight at least.

Bear in mind that the common complaint here about the FW 12 screen is that the color profile is kind of noticeably off. Eg. the red end of the spectrum looks more like orange. So if you’re serious about art, lack of color accuracy could be a big minus. If you’re more into just doodling and sketching, it’ll probably work in a pinch.

I don’t know what the used market is like where you live, but two months ago when I bought mine, I decided to get just the bare bones DIY FW12, and hunt both the memory and SSD used on a local online marketplace in the small country I live in. That’s what I’d recommend everyone to try out in the current crazy memory market.

Ended up getting a 32 gb SODIMM for the same price 8 gb would have cost new, and a 2 tb 2230 SSD for the same price as 512 gb ones cost new these days. I’m sure you can still get eg. a 16 gb memory stick with the correct spec, and a smaller 2230 SSD for a much more reasonable price used, unless you live somewhere where the market for used computers and tech is very scarce / close to non-existent.

Edit: also, the Ryzen 3250U is a couple of years older and benchmarks very clearly slower (both single and multi core across different tasks) than the particular i3 in the FW 12. In that sense, as long as you get enough memory for your own use case, I think you’re most probably going to get a very noticeable speed up.

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