Questions about Framework 12

I have a few questions about the Framework 12 before I order one.

  1. What are the good things/bad things about the 12?
  2. Is it worth your money for the Framework 12?
  3. What are some games that people can easily play on the 12 with the I3 and 16 GB ram?

I have watched many reviews but half of them they dislike it and half of them they say it is amazing. I would like a laptop that is reliable and works great. I am leaning towards the Framework but I would like to know what the non-youtube related review.

Thank you,

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Welcome to the community!

I would say there are definitely a lot of good and bad things about the Framework 12. I have one as my daily use machine.

Starting with the good. It works great with Windows and Linux, including the touch screen, tablet mode (on Linux, it works better or worse with various distros), and drawing with either an MPP 2.0 or USI 2.0 stylus. I really like the form factor. It holds up to some abuse (which is ironic, considering one of the negatives I’ll get to shortly). It is amazingly easy to work on and repair. It looks “cute.” Like all Framework laptops, the swapable ports are quite handy. And in my general use sceanrios, the fan is usually inaudible. I know it doesn’t have quite the same pixel density as Macbooks or other machines with high-res panels, but I think it’s good enough and strikes a good balance. I love that I can put whatever operating system I want on it, and even the pre-built comes with zero bloat or special Framework software that requires license agreements, adware, or other intrusive nonsense that so many manufacturers try to force on you with their machines. When I purchase a machine from Framework, I own it, no question. I am very happy with it overall.

As for negatives, there are a fair few. The display is not color accurate. For general use, it’s fine, it gets relatively bright, and contrast is pretty good. But even casual users often notice that reds look a bit orange. I noticed it pretty much immediately. I’ve gotten used to it, and it’s not a huge deal. But it’s just not a color accurate display. It doesn’t have the best battery life. I get 6-8 hours, which isn’t horrible, but it’s far from impressive these days. The bottom of the case gets fairly warm when doing anything other than very light tasks. It hasn’t really bothered me, even when using it on my lap, but I do notice it at times. Others have found the temp bothersome. Some of the displays have a bit of backlight bleed in spots, some more than others. Framework is currently trying to track down a firmware bug where if you have the power profile set to max battery life in the BIOS, you will get a fan not detected warning at boot-up. You can bypass it and the fan does work, but you get that erroneous warning on boot when the BIOS is set to max battery. It also doesn’t have a backlit keyboard. This actually isn’t a negative for me, but I know it is for some.

And finally, the cracking. Oh boy, the cracking. I actually have two Framework 12 laptops. I am completely happy with both. I use them for different things, both work great, and both fulfill there intended purposes beautifully. Both experienced small cracks in the bottom plastic cover, resulting in both machines being fully replaced. Since then, the Sage colored unit has cracked twice more and in both cases, Framework replaced the plastic case. At least in my case, at no point did the cracking affect my use of the machine or become more than a visual issue (and a minor one, at that). Framework re-designed the plastic case and has been working to get the re-designed case out to affected customers. But there have been some hiccups along the way, resulting in some folks (like myself) replacing parts multiple times on some machines. When I said it was ironic earlier, I said that because I actually did some pretty harsh testing with my first Framework 12, drop testing it on pavement. It came through with only some minor scuffs and a couple gouges in the soft plastic bumpers. But the cracking seems to happen from stress points in the case rather than from abuse or hard knocks. At least in most cases.

For me, the cracking issue is annoying and frustrating, but it also wouldn’t stop me from buying one. It may stop me from recommending one to certain people. But at no point did it affect my ability to use the laptop exactly as I wanted to, and I don’t mind messing around a little bit to get parts swapped out and such, if needed. And now that the re-designed parts should be filtering into the new machines, hopefully this issue is on its way to becoming a thing of the past.

As for value, that is going to come down to what’s important to you. There are options on the market with a bit better performance and features per dollar. However, I am more than willing to pay a bit more for a machine that I own and can do whatever I want with. I can upgrade or repair it, I can put whatever OS on it I want, etc. And while I technically can do the same with other machines, most brands actively work to fill machines with tracking software and adware, they try to force you into license agreements and signing up for accounts, etc. Framework is certainly giving up a revenue stream by avoiding subscriptions, software up-sells, putting third-party “offers” on the machines, and just generally not filling the machines with data mining software so they can sell my data. I understand that it essentially costs Framework something to not do those things, and I’m willing to pay for it. I’m willing to pay for it by literally paying a bit more for the machine, in terms of raw performance per dollar, and in terms of accepting some occasional quirks. That stuff is important to me, and I therefore see Framework laptops as offering something of value that very few other brands offer. But that stuff isn’t going to be as important to everyone.

I haven’t played a ton of games on my Framework 12, but I did test some games on the i3 version running just 8GB of RAM, and it ran lots of simple 2D games perfectly, and some older 3D games just fine as well. As long as I was willing to turn down some settings or maybe run a bit lower resolution, I was even able to play Skyrim.

There are tons of simple games that will run fine. As I said, I don’t play a ton of games on it, but I’m sure others can chime in with what they play and their experience doing so.

Hopefully, that was helpful. If you have any questions, fire away and I’ll answer if I can.

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I have a bubblegum 12 that I got roughly a month ago. It is the i5 with 16gb ram.

  1. Good and bad all depend on what you want out of a laptop. I specifically wanted modular/repairable which is hard to come by in today’s market. I also wanted a 2-in-1. Those two in combination are a unicorn machine. The framework is built well overall and I have been carrying it to and from the office with me when I have gone in as well as just toting it around the house and it holds up to my normal use. I have not dropped it yet, so jury is out on that. I have read in the forums about the cracking issue @BigT mentions, but my machine has no signs of the issue (I do keep checking just to be sure). If asked if I would recommend, the answer would be yes and I already have. It is a bit more underpowered than I typically would by myself new, but for the form factor and modularity I was willing to sacrifice a bit of processor and no dedicated graphics.
  2. Again, this is a relative question and for me the answer is obviously yes because I bought one and am pleased with it. I also like the idea of if the screen is damaged…it is easy to replace. I just replaced a screen on a 2007 Toshiba laptop and that’s one of the hardest electronic repairs I have done. If anything can make that easier should I need to do it to this machine that I plan on having for a long time, I will take it!
  3. I have an i5, so not a direct comparison, but I have played Guild Wars 2 on medium settings as well as many indie or older games (Sticky Business, Sims 2, Luanti) and they run without issue. I would not expect an i3 to run AAA titles on ultra (even the i5 cannot), but it should be able to play a reasonable variety of games.

Really it is a matter of what is important to you. What do you want to use the machine for? Do you plan on using Windows or Linux? These are the questions that matter more than specs and the opinions of others as very few people use a computer in exactly the same way. Hopefully the information I’ve added is helpful to you. Welcome to the community :slight_smile:

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I think it will come down to whether or not you already like 12" 16:10 laptops. If you do, the FW12 is a great one. I was using a ThinkPad X201, so the Framework 12 was a natural fit for me. It was love at first sight honestly.

The keyboard is worse than the 7-row ThinkPad keyboard, but I would say that about literally any other laptop keyboard including modern ThinkPads.

The other thing I miss most from my ThinkPad is definitely the WWAN. The FW12 lacks both the second internal PCIe slot and the antenna wiring. I’m following this project and will buy one the moment I’m able to: LTE Cat 4 Cell Modem Card

I love the way the FW12 looks and feels; IMO it’s the first Framework product that feels like it has a cohesive design identity of its own and not knockoff-Macbook-Air style like the 13 or ugly-sharp-plastic-seams like the 16. It’s made out of the same stuff as LEGO bricks except even softer to the touch due to the way the material is textured. Framework’s inexperience with this new material was what led to the case cracking in the first few months worth of deliveries.

I did have case cracking on my July 2025 unit, but my replacement bottom cover is fine so far. I honestly don’t understand why everybody makes such a Big Fucking Deal about it, like how often are they looking at the bottom of the laptop instead of using the laptop? Big whoop, free replacement, get on with your life lol

I do like the stylus support as someone who used a cheap Wacom tablet with my old ThinkPad, not so much for art as for cleaning up my flatbed scans from VueScan in Photoshop CS3 (levels, clone stamp, spot repair, dodge/burn, done). My FW12’s display did have backlight bleed until I messed with it to equalize all the bezel/hinge/screw pieces pressing on the display in various ways. I also had to manually realign my trackpad to avoid it catching on the case in one corner; easy but wish it came perfect to begin with.

And dunno about the i3 but here’s what I’ve been playing on my i5-1334U 64GiB RAM unit:





The most-demanding game that I was able to get the best performance out of is Burnout Paradise Remastered (2018): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE4BLRZk-Fc

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I’ll echo/confirm what all the others have said, especially @BigT .

I replaced a desktop (Dell i5 tower), basic laptop (Asus 14” i3) and a basic iPad with my FW12” i3. That alone was worth the money to me. Toss in repairability–Bonus. The negatives, color accuracy and non-backlit keyboard, neither of which are a big deal for me. Nothing’s perfect.

Can’t help with games I don’t do that.

Durability? So far so good (3mos old) this machine gets toted all around the house, even set up in tablet/tent mode when I’m on my treadmill or elliptical. (I’m expecting the keyboard to get worn and ragged over time by the way the machine gets setup on the exercise equipment. Who cares! It’s so darn easy to replace, probably will take all of 5min. or so. I replaced a keyboard on an HP laptop once PIA, 2+ hours)

How I use my FW12, i3, 16Gb RAM, may not be relevant to your non-gaming use, so I’ll just state briefly: I set it up dual boot, Linux(Debian)/Win11. 90% of the time I’m in Linux running Firefox for all manner of web access & email. I’ll sometimes create a small speadsheet, or word-processing doc. In Win11 I run Adobe Lightroom for photo editing/management, and a little Firefox activity for web access, nothing more. (you can search the forum for posts with more details of how I selected the FW12 and my user experience).

Whoops forgot to mention, typical battery life for me has been in the 8-10hour range. Better than my cheapy Asus (4-5hrs), less than my iPad (15-20hrs) (hey nothings perfect :slightly_smiling_face: , I can replace the battery in my FW12, not so easy with an iPad).

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Rod

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Thank you guys, for helping me. I will probably order the Framework 12 soon. Thanks to BigT’s durability test I won’t be worrying about strength. All 4 of you that have answered my questions provided a great insight on what I should be looking forward to. I could not be more happy with the support of the Framework community helping one another out. I think I will get the Sage with the I3 and 16 GB ram. I like knowing that I can eventually upgrade components without the hassle of taking it to a repair shop or doing complex things myself. If I come up with any more questions ill be sure to ask you.

Thank you,

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I’ve had my Framework 12 since they were first released. It’s an I5 with 32GB ram. It’s replaced my 2 in 1 Acer Spin Chromebook.

  1. good things
    • I’ve got real Linux on it instead of Crostini on Chrome
    • everything works with Ubuntu 26.04, including tablet mode
    • it’s sage green
    • I enjoyed putting the DIY edition together and I like the approach
  2. The price is a bit high, but not if it lasts a long time because I can upgrade and replace bits
  3. I’ve not run any games but I’ve not noticed any performance issues.