I’m running a dual boot setup with Fedora and Windows 10 on the Framework 13. Network connectivity works on wireless and wired for Fedora, but the Windows 10 install doesn’t seem to display a network adapter on wired or wireless. I’ve tried installing the latest drivers at Framework Laptop 13 Pro AMD Ryzen™ AI 300 Series — BIOS & Drivers | Resources , will these even work for Windows 10?
There was no native support for Windows 10 and the AMD boards. Unless a very specific piece of software needed to be run why use Windows 10 when Windows 11 is far more mature for this modern board design? If Windows 10 networking support is that important then get the Intel AX210 card that has native drivers supported by Framweork.
I’m running a Windows partition for one application that cannot function on Linux via compatibility layers. Windows 11 is something I’m only willing to do as a last resort.
The Intel AX210 card doesn’t have compatibility issues with the AI 300 chipset?
The AX210 card is the only one that Framework sells and fully supports that is not an Intel card that requires an Intel processor.
Just know too that if other issues happen and support gets involved one of the first things mentioned will be that Windows 10 is not supported on that board so it is you are on your own under that OS.
Windows 11 is not as bad as it could be after using something like Chris Titus’ tools to debloat and disable some annoyances.
Another option could be to just spin up a virtual machine in Linux of Windows 10 to run that ones application.
I think I remember someone finding an older driver for the RZ616 card to work on Windows 10. Might have to dig though the Windows Update catalog to find one old enough that was stable, then manually install it.
Hi,
What do you mean by compatibility layers?
You could use wine or a virtual machine on linux host and run windows in the VM.
The VM like kvm/qemu removes the network drivers problem.
Which application are you trying to run?
The problem with windows 10 is that it is not supported any more, so windows 11 is probably the way to go.
The AX210 card is the only one that Framework sells and fully supports that is not an Intel card that requires an Intel processor.
Just know too that if other issues happen and support gets involved one of the first things mentioned will be that Windows 10 is not supported on that board so it is you are on your own under that OS.
This sounds like the course of action in line with what I’d like to do.
Windows 11 is not as bad as it could be after using something like Chris Titus’ tools to debloat and disable some annoyances.
No matter what debloating tools, regular and intrusive updates require a lot more maintenance than I’m interested in doing for the application-centric partition.
Another option could be to just spin up a virtual machine in Linux of Windows 10 to run that ones application.
This application in question can be summed as “a game with anti-cheat”, in which a VM doesn’t work. I’ve been looking into using KVM with the partition as a mount (both on the framework laptop and my desktop), but a dual boot suffices for my needs so it hasn’t been the priority.
I think I remember someone finding an older driver for the RZ616 card to work on Windows 10. Might have to dig though the Windows Update catalog to find one old enough that was stable, then manually install it.
Not preferred, but I am looking into an older driver that does work with the network card, since there appears to be precedent. ( GitHub - Rozakos/mt7925-win10-wifi-fix: Fix for the MediaTek MT7925 Wi-Fi 7 adapter failing to install on Windows 10 (Code 28). GUI + CLI. · GitHub ).
What do you mean by compatibility layers?
WINE, Proton, etc. Anything that’s not actually a VM but is doing API translation.
The rest is answered in my replies to @pkunk
TL;DR my current course of action is as follows:
- Try to investigate more backports of Windows 10 drivers
- Install Windows 11 temporarily while an AX210 arrives.
- Re-install Windows 10 and try the AX210.
I will report back once I’ve done more tinkering.
You said you windows application was a game with anti-cheat.
As it is a game, you will probably want the latest GPU drivers, and those would be for windows 11, and not windows 10.
So, of the options suggested, I think installing Windows 11 would give you the best experience for the game to play smoothly without stability problems.
Other alternatives are not to use wifi, and instead use USB network adapters and network cables. Windows 10 works with a lot of them already.
I admire your tenacity it trying to get this game to run and work with the network.
I would probably have given up by now, and spent my time elsewhere. Maybe on some Linux based fun project.
With the help of AI LLMs, almost anyone can be creative, and write software to do whatever you wish.
You said you windows application was a game with anti-cheat.
As it is a game, you will probably want the latest GPU drivers, and those would be for windows 11, and not windows 10.
Game’s from 2004, it works better with older OS - if I could, I’d run XP or 7 for it.
So, of the options suggested, I think installing Windows 11 would give you the best experience for the game to play smoothly without stability problems.
Other alternatives are not to use wifi, and instead use USB network adapters and network cables. Windows 10 works with a lot of them already.
Unfortunately, I’m also having issues with the Framework Ethernet expansion card, so it might be moot anyways. I have a USB to Ethernet dongle for the laptop that the Framework is replacing, but I would prefer to avoid using it.
I admire your tenacity it trying to get this game to run and work with the network.
I would probably have given up by now, and spent my time elsewhere. Maybe on some Linux based fun project.
With the help of AI LLMs, almost anyone can be creative, and write software to do whatever you wish.
No point in computing if you can’t get the stuff you want to do to work. I was hoping that Windows 10 would be easier to get working than this, since my desktop has a Windows 10 setup working without problems.
But anyways, after tinkering, I believe you guys are correct and Windows 10 is a lost cause on this bleeding edge hardware. Here are the things I have tried for those who come after:
- My Windows 10 ISO was very old, so I updated to Windows 10 22H2 and reinstalled (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO)
2a. Install the driver linked from https://linustechtips.com/topic/1640362-mediatek-rz717-mt7925-drivers-for-windows-10-for-amd-ryzen-am5newer-mobile-systems/ after installing Framework’s Driver bundle.
2b. Installed windows 10 chipset drivers from AMD after installing Framework’s Driver Bundle - Restart
- Run the Wifi fix patch from my previous post
All of this produced no change in the network adapter visibility, so I am going to settle for Windows 11 for now.