Simple question: Is there anything the 13 Version is better at than the 16 one?
Different use cases. FW16 is a powerhouse in a pretty large format, FW13 is smaller and still a very capable machine. Depends on your preference, I guess. If you need the Intel Core Ultra series of processors instead of AMD for example, you have to go for FW13.
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so, so far only the size and Intel preference?
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Well, and price, depending on your preferences. A maxed-out FW16 is probably more expensive than a maxed-out FW13. But that should be obvious from the size.
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power consumption is another one, like the 13 can only draw up to 100W iirc, and the 16 can draw up to 240W, so i think if you need to spend prolonged time on battery the 13 has that
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Smaller size. Lower weight. Lower cost. Lower power consumption (smaller power brick required and less energy use). Possibly longer battery life, though this will depend on use case. Currently available with Intel processors, if needed/wanted. Currently available mainboard case for using the mainboard externally in the event of an upgrade. Slightly quicker and easier to disassemble, if you are a tinkerer. Slightly quieter (in my experience).
Thatâs off the top of my head. Some of those are probably temporary and will change as new things become available for the FW 16.
I like the FW 16 as a quirky, modular, editing and gaming laptop that mostly lives on a desk, but can be portable when needed. I like the FW 13 as a smaller, cheaper, lighter, longer battery life, quieter, very capable âeverydayâ machine that I carry everywhere and use for general use.
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13 is currently slightly more reliable, as there are more reports of 16âs high CPU individual cores temperature differential and compared to 13
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wow thanks, I had something like that in the back of my mind but was too lazy to summarize it. Especially the last paragraph. Great job
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the 16 can still draw up to 240W
as in both it can take 240W power supplies when they start to exist, and also as in if you have the dgpu module and max out performance then the system draws about 210-220W as i saw one person record
the 180W power supply is good for most use cases (and you dont really need to max out performance) but if you max everything out then 180W isnt enough and the battery starts to drain
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well⌠canât we just buy some 240W supply from internet?
Just to be clear and avoid possible confusion, it can only be powered from one port at a time.
Not saying amoun was wrong. I just wanted to clarify that it can only power from one port at a time, but I think four of the six ports can be used for charging. But if you plug in multiple chargers, the laptop will only draw power from one or the other, not both at the same time.
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Not yet as mentioned.
It can draw that power, but because we only have 180W chargers, the remaining 60W comes from the battery, meaning you can theoretically get as low as about an hour and a half of battery when on ac power if you have the dgpu and crank performance settings to the max
The 240W is only if you have the optional GPU on the FL16.
The other feature of the FL16 is that you can have a 10-key keypad, or a macropad, or coloured blanking plates at the ends of the KB. The 10-key/macropad can be on the left or right hand end of the main KB. The touchpad can also be left, right or centred.
An additional feature of the FL16 is it can have two SSDs where the FL13 can only have one 2280 long SSD. The FL16 can have one 2280 and one 2230 SSD. Also there will soon be an additional twin SSD module that looks like it will take most sizes of m.2 SSDs and will fir in the expansion bay, but you cannot have it at the same time as a GPU.
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Whatâs the technical difficulties regarding simultaneously PD input, canât a BIOS update fix it?
The chargers would need to be almost exactly the same voltage.
With a 36v charger such as the Framework 180w charger it is allowed to be anywhere between 34.2v and 37.8v and still be compliant with the PD spec.
If you connect a 34.2v and 37.8v to the same laptop in parallel while using USB-C cables that have 0.15 oHm resistance (afaik the maximum resistance allowed by the PD spec) then the result is that the higher voltage charger would be forced to output 453.6w, of which 43.2w would be turned into heat in the cable and 410.4w would be forced backwards into the lower voltage charger. And thatâs before adding any load from charging the laptop.
Diodes and resistors could be used to effectively eliminate tiny differences in voltage (by wasting the extra voltage as heat in the resistors) and block backfeeding of power (effectively cutting off one of the chargers if the voltage difference is too large), however the proper solution would be to add a whole second charging circuit for handling the second charger. Both of those solutions would add additional cost and take up motherboard space. They also cannot be added through a BIOS update as they are hardware solutions.
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is there a way to connect 2 same 120W chargers into âsomethingâ that you would then plug into the laptop and get almost 240W?
Also what would happen if I played with soldering and electrical tape?
You need a step-up converter to boost the voltage to 48V and a PD trigger to make the laptop believe that the power is from a PD charger
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