I was initially disappointed, but framework has had no reason to upgrade any hardware for it yet.
The 8040 series AMD chips were a lateral upgrade from 7040 series. And AMD hasn’t even released new mobile GPUs yet, and we all know Nvidia wouldn’t partner with framework.
Ahh that’s right. good point. But not with the lower end models. In any case, it IS interesting to those who have a need. Who knows, maybe steamos will be awesome on it. Would probably be fine on the lower ram models.
I wouldn’t have bought the desktop anyways, since I’ve already got one that’s modular and has RAM slots.
+1 the booing and hissing though, not that I actually have anything against the product itself. I’m just concerned that the pressure to get rid of socketed RAM is unrelenting enough that only a hardline absolutist position will preserve modularity over time. And, even at reasonable-to-good prices, seeing fixed RAM amounts at a price on a desktop is kind of repulsive.
The 12-inch looks really cool, especially if it’s at a reduced price at all relative to the 13-inch. (I’m thinking that’s what Nirav meant about it being more accessible.)
The 13-inch updates are very exciting. I’m looking forward to benchmarks and gameplay demonstrations. It might even be time for me to upgrade off this 11th gen Intel, I dunno…
I bet the FW 16 updates will be next year, when the discrete graphics from AMD can outclass the integrated mobo graphics from AMD, and maybe, fingers-crossed, Intel can get in the game. I’m assuming Nvidia are too … err, you know, Nvidia, to play ball with something this cool where they aren’t jerking everybody else around.
Considering the cooling on the 16 is degraded to constant thermal throttling, I was at least wishing for something to remedy that, or even an eGPU enclosure+expansion shell for those of us who want better gaming/ai stuff.
No need to delete, I found it funny.
i feel like it’s mostly coming from the fact that the 16 is still a first gen products so there was alot of excitement that maybe next gen meant that the 16 was improved and had fixed the problems that arise from being a new device. It isn’t old but the quality of life is heavily impacted by the problems (making the want for upgrade higher)
Also it would have been nice to at least improve it before announcing new stuff like how the 13 was improved before the 16 was announced.
Bo need to edit. Bo smash.
Modularity is always better, but not always feasible. Again, the price compared to a DIY system if not that different when keeping LLM and img gen in mind. As a gaming machine, probably the price isn’t there. Altoguht the ITX tax might make it closer than it seems.
I’m gonna buy a DIY edition anyway, what matters to me is them saying they wouldn’t do that and then doing that. Did whoever said that at least apologize?
Okay. So, the media articles about this event are below.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-upgraded-with-AMD-Strix-Point-motherboard-Wi-Fi-7-and-new-keyboard.967599.0.html
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Desktop-official-with-AMD-Strix-Halo-CPUs-affordable-price-tag-and-plenty-of-customization-options.967568.0.html
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-12-announced-as-repairable-entry-level-2-in-1-laptop-with-rugged-design.967607.0.html
It feels like they put just as much effort into the FW16 as I did into this meme today.
I really hope we see more FW16 upgrades and mods in the future.
Speaking of generations, what is the “Gen 2” product from today? Or did they already get everything lined up with the venue and the marketing and AMD pulled the rug when they delayed RNDA4? FW13 AMD board gen 2? FW13 Keyswitch gen 2?
I think the FW12 sounds very neat, I like stylus laptops! Hope they’re going for Wacom EMR, since pens are passive (don’t need charging) and not too expensive. Oh, and Linux support for stuff like screen rotation will also be interesting.
The big question will of course be the price. Something that’s aimed at students will have to be a bit more affordable than what we’re used from Framework (tho I think the pricing has been pretty fair so far).
Also, since they talked about shock absorption etc, I’m curious to see how well it’ll handle falls, I did manage to get a few cracks on my 13 after a drop…
I personally will probably not buy one, since I’m pretty happy with the 13, and I don’t really want to get a new laptop for a long while (both because of sustainability and because I don’t have an infinite supply of money).
(Maybe we could have a edition without a mainboard that plugs into another laptop and acts like a screen? :D Probably not feasible, but would be neat.)
I don’t like the idea either but I also try to remain practical. In my case I will crunch the numbers with real parts later on.
Slower 128gb of RAM alone is like $700, high L3 cache CPU, $450, ITX MOBO, $200, mid range GPU, $500-750. Just off the top of my head. No case, PSU, cooler.
What would the price on modularity be? 20-25% the cost? The one thing I have upgraded consistently over the years as SSDs. RAM no so much. With the FW13 I bought as much as I could afford and have stuck with it. Before the announcement I was considering going to 96 or 128, but at times the 7040 struggles with some of the larger models. No amount of RAM will fix that.
I currently have a custom built gaming/machine learning rig I built a while ago on AM4. It is reaching the end of it. No CPU/GPU upgrade is going to help me improve performance by the margin I want.
EDIT: typos
I don’t believe that for a minute. The real reason is AMD wasn’t going to put in a ton of R&D to make it work just for Framework. The other companies are making bank selling these soldered memory laptops while Framework is a very small portion of the market.
I find it difficult to believe that AMD was able to overtake Intel years ago and now make this impressive of an APU while simultaneously not being able to make LPCAMM(2) work. It’s not a technical infeasibility, it’s just that any amount of R&D into that would likely be at a loss since the only company that would draw more revenue to AMD from this is Framework and again, very small portion of the market.
They sent Frank Azor to present at the event. AMD takes Framework seriously.
Frank Azor’s dream is an upgradable GPU. He was in charge of the MXM Alienware.
Ok so,
Iunno, I’m personally not too enthused. This event was definitely for someone else.
I think you replied to the wrong message.
I wasn’t considering AI, the other guy was.
For AI it seems great. For a gaming/regular PC (the advertised use) it’s awful. I think the real goal was just the motherboards for server blades, but that doesn’t sell enough and doesn’t look as good.
I never said they didn’t. Taking them seriously doesn’t mean investing in a loss. Plus, they probably already took a loss from the GPU.
Edit: I think we should be thankful for AMD’s help, but I think that the official statement is dishonest. Also, I love Framework and if this ends up making them more money then hopefully they’ll put it into firmware.
