hi framework i like the framework
laptops modularity but i cant pay
2000 usd for a laptop my idea is a
framework laptop that comes with a
rtx 3050 but costing 500-700 usd
and also add freebsd suport on your
current laptops just a idea.
please hear my ideas
How do you see a 700$ FW with a dGPU? For a company as small as Framework, it’s a wonder how far they’ve actually come. I know (and I think Framework do, too) that their laptops are not cheap, but you can keep them for a very long time and in the long run, you might be better off paying more once instead of paying a bit less twice (or thrice).
Seeing that the cheapest 3050 laptops (around 649€ after taxes, I tried looking at Microcenter but couldn’t find any 3050 laptops there) have no USB4, aren’t highly modular (“only” RAM and SSD are replacable), can’t charge via USB and are made of plastic, FW can’t really keep up with that price. Even the 12, which is Frameworks try at a low cost computer, can hardly get that far down and they seem to be really trying.
Also, most generations of Framework work with FreeBSD, but the newer ones don’t seem to have full support (Ryzen AI lacks a GUI) yet.
I think that any idea should be heard, but when prices come into play, there is not much a smaller company could do.
Have you seen this project? “https://frame.work/nl/en/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard“ Nothing is stopping you from developing your own PCB with freebsd support. If you develop this, we can find out the market demand for such platform.
i would say euro but i typed dolar by mistake
and i still wanna play and a amd ryzen ai 300
isnt enough fot me
Basically you’re looking for an impossible product, a laptop that
but you want it to have
and it should obviously have
made by a very small company with very limited resources (at a price of 700€, which is just ridiculous).
Just saying: modern mobile Intel CPUs cost 200-700€ MSRP, I don’t reckon AMD’s silicon is that much more affordable (if at all), maybe 150 for the lower end ones that you can’t really game on anyways.
Also, notebook GPUs tend to be really expensive too. Seeing that the 7700S module costs 450 and the cover costs 50, I think it’s safe to say the 7700S costs more than 300 too, maybe FW even struck a good deal with AMD for that. Nvidia probably charges extra even at the lower end, with the 5070 laptops being announced at 1,299 USD, which should also be about the same in € after European taxes (the cheapest 5070 laptop costs 1,340, but it’s the bare minimum acceptable, similar e-waste potential to the 3050s).
It’s hard to find out the bare pricing on those GPUs, but it should be a safe bet to assume about parity between the mobile and desktop chips (maybe 10% lower for losing up to 51,8% of the hardware on the 5090M), so 500-550€ for the 5070, which could very well be, looking at the 5070 module.
If you’re really on that 700€ budget, consider a 2nd hand laptop. It’ll support the environment in a similar way Framework does, but is much cheaper. Or really get hands on and buy a PC, if mobility is no issue…
Yes im wrong its because im my contry a rtx 3050 laptoo is almost thr same price of a ps5 and a ps5 its 550 usd i did some research but sorry for ky error
600 is the lowest price I’ve seen, but those cheap laptops don’t even have Windows installed (at least they can’t infect you with McAfee like that). If you can’t afford anything better, there’s no use just waiting. But please, for the love of god, or whatever thing you believe in, if any at all, look for a used option, you can get much better deals for used laptops on platforms like e-bay…
This. You get a lot more for the same amount of money this way. But it helps to know how to avoid low quality junk. A lot of computers targeted at regular consumers are just poorly made junk, with little to no effort to make it reliable, or even be free of serious defects. A used one like this would be even worse, throwing away money.
Instead you can go for business-class laptops. Laptops made for large companies to give out to employees to use. Items that a person didn’t pay for themselves, don’t own, just aren’t treated as carefully as personal items. So such laptops must be much more resilient, or else they will be broken at such a high rate that the company buying them will go elsewhere for their next purchase.
And a lot of large companies replace their laptops every 2 or 3 years, once the manufacturer warranty ends. So there is constantly has an excess of perfectly good couple-year-old business-class laptops for sale. A lot of normal consumers pass them by because business-class tends to look boring, and appears older style-wise, so they don’t sell for as much.
Some places label them as “off-lease” laptops, https://www.hardware-corner.net/guides/difference-between-refurbished-certified/#refurbished-and-off-lease. As some companies lease them for a couple years rather than buy.
the ceapest i ve seen its US$ 749 i noticed in euros its more expensive when converted to dolar if you buy in dolar its cheaper
I think the only issue with your comment is the fact he wants to game, and I am not sure how many business laptops actually have game-ready drivers instead of workstation drivers, because they often have Pro GPUs instead of consumer ones, if they have GPUs at all…
If you’re just buying a normal office laptop, then business laptops are the way to go (probably).
Yeah… for gamers, that’s the killer. Often they use the same GPU silicon, but they are given pro / business model numbers and consumer drivers refuse to accept them.
The same thing I noticed, until someone pointed out the exact reason: When you’re buying in USD, probability is high that it’s before taxes. In the EU, taxes like the 20% VAT-kinda thing are almost always part of the price. Exceptions are often business actors, that don’t have to pay VAT or can get it back.
That is some kind of discrimination going on there… Some cards also have more VRAM, but for those that don’t, there could be a solution, but it’s not a nice/easy one: Reflashing the GPU’s vBIOS. Since it’s the same chip, you can “just” google the equivalent GeForce card and flash it with a BIOS from techpowerup.
Now, while we have this thread, I think I should use it to bring forth one of my ideas that just came into my mind after watching the Hardware Canucks video on the old FW16 model:
Give the expansion bay an optional battery. I think it could be really cool to have a battery that can very quickly be removed or added in when needed. It’s not the same thing as just taking the battery out and replacing it with a full one, but it’s close.
The main problem with this, I think, are the flight agencies that don’t allow higher than 99.9Wh batteries. But maybe the 2nd battery won’t count towards the 99.9Wh cap? Also I think one can just remove the module before a flight (I have no idea how airport security works, if you couldn’t tell).
What is the benefit of FreeBSD? I’m poking around on the FreeBSD website, but it seems like it would be really niche for a personal laptop, especially one that wants to game.
Unlike Linux it is developed as a single system, so it is all integrated really well, and it has great documentation. Also, it is a high performance Unix system with a strong heritage, and that means it includes one of the very best networking stacks, and ZFS. It had jails long before containers were a thing elsewhere, and they work really well. The best workstations of the 80s and 90s also ran it, so it’s pretty cool to use it in 2025. (It is used pretty widely - but you might not have heard of the places where it is.)
There’s a bunch of people who have been hoping for a FW battery module and a few others who have been working on them to some extent. See: Ever Lasting Battery Pack. I think that since the RTX 5070 can transfer power to the laptop that ability will come out with the next BIOS update and allow for users to create their own battery.
As for the 99.9Wh battery cap, it’s for each battery. So technically if the FW16 had a 99.9Wh battery and you had an expansion 99.9Wh battery you would be fine. Also, it’s vague so you might not be able to have the expansion in the FW16 when going through TSA but given that it’s removable you could install it after going through TSA.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/lithium-batteries-100-watt-hours-or-less-device