Of course I realize that. You seem to have missed the point of my comment entirely. Intel and AMD have a duopoly on CPUs, and it would require a lot of effort from Framework to migrate to anything else. It requires zero effort from Framework to stop promoting DHH. So, just like with Musk, we aren’t likely to be able to stop Framework from funding Intel or AMD.
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You are also completely missing the point. It would be very difficult and expensive for Framework to pull out of the UK market entirely, and even that would be unlikely to materially affect the UK’s policies. It takes zero effort to stop promoting DHH.
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No, it’s really easy.
I talked about Intel only, not AMD.
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Intel and AMD are both complicit, from my understanding. In any case, the point stands - it would take a nontrivial amount of effort and money to adapt their hardware to use AMD processors. It takes zero effort to stop promoting DHH. Again, you aren’t addressing the actual point here, this is just classic whataboutism.
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DHH calls for deporting people based on ethnicity are just racism.
Are UK mass deportation based on people’s ethnicity?
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To be fair, the noise is high because the screw-up is big. I was still happy to have paid a pretty penny for my laptop even though I had to go 5 RMA’s deep to get something that is at least functional up to the expected level minus some cosmetic stuff, because of ethical principles - my money went to support open and repairable hardware, with native and first-class support for Linux.
I can no longer confidently say I am happy with where my money is going after this, and I am waiting for some clarification or statement.
The noise is there because the typical Framework customer is the kind of person who upholds strong principles and acts on them. If you are typing this on a Framework laptop, as I am (I know you are because it’s not the first time I see you around, so that’s good), you have already passed the filter of “people who are prepared to put their money with their mouth is”, because you paid a lot of money to purchase a repair-friendly device.
To be clear, I don’t think you are wrong; but I think the tone of this thread would be comparable. I am almost one European warranty through my laptop and I am absolutely taking a stance here.
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The size of the so-called screw up is debatable. The noise is high because the mob has decided to make an issue of it and scream endlessly, now from all sides - and by weighing in I am guilty as well. It’s exhausting, annoying, and accomplishing nothing at this point. If someone doesn’t like Framework for whatever reason, no one is forcing them to support them by purchasing their offering.
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And everyone retains the option to sell their laptop and purchase something else. Or assuming nobody wishes to buy, recycle it, use it until it breaks, or stick it in a drawer and buy something else.
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To be fair, the track record is that these things accomplish results more often than they don’t; and I don’t know what Framework was thinking with that reply, because having an entire costumer base who bought a laptop out of ethical principles and telling them “hey, your ethical principles are not being taken into account”… I mean… it was predictable the thread would end up in this state.
As a queer person, I had a few of incremental upgrades ready on the trigger for my 16. The improved CNC display lid in pole position, plus some extra expansion cards which have died on me, but that are cheap enough that I do not want to RMA them; and, in maybe position, the new more silent fans. Quite a bit of damage economically all put together, but justifiable for the same ethical reasons. I am not putting the money in until we get clarity on this situation.
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I can assure you, at this point, further commentary will not result in an acceleration of getting that clarity. Wait however long you feel is justified, then act according to your own conscience. That is what @lbkNhubert and I both have been trying to get at.
And I know, I could just mute this thread but it’s one of “train wreck in slow motion” things. Plus I also want clarity too. I’m not immune from that desire either.
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I don’t know you didn’t give me details of the deportee, the website you provided not even mention ”ethnicity”.
Japan deported criminals all the time no matter your race, religion, sexual orientation and gender identity.
I am not looking for an acceleration in the process of getting clarity. I am trying to explain my point, which I have full rights to, as a member of a public forum, considering that I am staying comfortably within the boundaries of the Community Guidelines and the Framework Code of Conduct.
What my further commentary will do, though, is increase the number of people who have declaring they care about the situation. I will not stay silent. The fact that our disappointment looks annoying here is a feature, not a bug. That is the same idea behind large crowds of people protest on the streets. Making it so your point cannot be ignored or easily scrolled away from is part of the point.
EDIT: And, to be completely honest, the damage here was done. If you scroll up, you will see the account of one of the main devs of Arch Linux publicly state their work on Framework-Linux integration is over. I don’t think you realize how bad this is. Does this count as “doing nothing”? Clearly, real-world consequences are already happening. At a scale, this could make the Linux compatibility of future models much worse.
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I can only speak for myself, but I have bought each of them because I like to tinker, and because I can repair them myself. What the company chooses to do with the funds that they earn from my purchase is up to them. If I don’t like it, then I am free to take my funds elsewhere. In my opinion crusades such as this are more often counterproductive.
With all of that said, everyone, and I mean everyone, deserves to be treated with respect, and afforded the respect that they deserve as a human being, regardless of who they are, who they love, and so on, as long as they are not harming others or actively causing harm to befall others. That’s simplistic and off the cuff, so please understand that it’s not intended to make sure that I have covered all bases.
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Fully agree on the second paragraph. Nobody is trying to make ad-hominem attacks here.
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Of course you can say whatever you want as long as you stay within the boundaries of the community guidelines. I’m not attempting to “silence” you in some kind political way. I would argue that the point has been made, disappointment noted and the size of those in agreement has been also noted. Granted, I would have preferred to see people using the reaction button (which is what it is for) rather than just posting what is essentially the same post ad nauseum but that is neither here nor there at this point.
Not accurate but fine. You aren’t and neither am I but there absolutely have been ad hominem attacks in the thread.
It’s noticeable that there’s not as much moderating going on because the amount of conspiratorial off-topic chatter is becoming tedious.
The Framework forum is not the place to debate the merits of DHH’s talking points that echo conspiracies like “the great replacement theory”, and even less a place to discuss the specific immigration policies of any nation, especially when you get conspiratorial about it yourself.
Go do your recruiting elsewhere, or better yet, stop doing it altogether.
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Don’t worry, as with most mobs like this, I suspect we are just seeing a very vocal and coordinated minority. As long as Framework continues to be the best in this niche market it’ll be fine. (I hope)
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This is not good.
I’m not optimistic about this solution, but never thought real world consequences came this quick.
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I respect this Arch developer tremendously for drawing a line in the sand. Their distribution may just be what I use on my next PC build for this reason alone!
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*expectations