Protests, writing FOSS within the public interest, interacting almost exclusively with people in protected communities, etc. (both online and in the real world, including writing code)
This entire thread is proof of that 
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Because this one is full of people trying to drown out the actual concerns of the post with nitpicking and similar gamergate-style harrassment.
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Oh, good point, thanks for pointing that out (even though it wasn’t directed at me). I didn’t notice the subtle goalposting and ad nauseam attempts until you mentioned it.
In that case…
Looks like I will have to take my own advice 
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How does that follow from the thread’s existence?
How do you exclusively interact with people in protected communities when in real life you’re interacting with people whose political affiliations you have no knowledge of?
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I’m not continuing this, sorry
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I welcome criticism but please don’t make any bad faith arguments. If you read for example my earlier responses regarding the hyprland leadership you will see how productive they were.
As you like, thanks for the conversation!
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This might be a weird post to read and consider.
I understand the logic that @catastrophic is using here. And while I can empathise with it.
The heart of it for me is it’s not intersectional enough. I get wanting to improve various distros’ compatibility with framework, but should that be done at the cost of supporting someone who’s put forward hateful rhetoric?
I get that one of FOSS’s biggest ethos is, it is open and free for anyone to use, and that does sound really lovely, until things like this happen.
Lately I’ve been looking at technological harms and how tech has been used to harm minoritised groups, in big and small ways, intentionally or otherwise. Books like Datafeminism, Race After Technology, Black Software, and Careless People. As well as documentaries like Coded Bias. At this moment, folks in tech are reckoning with their complicity in genocide (Does my code kill Palestinians). And recognising the ways in which surveillance capitalism(Palantir) is being used to support fascism.
It tells me, that we have a responsibility to consider how our actions such as what we build may harm others.
It’s a scary time all around, and while a lot of people seem to be ready to understand and take action on ways they might be complicit in harm, the FOSS mindset is not one that is ready to take ownership of that. It’s desire to focus on one thing, adoption of open source software (which is a good thing) at the expense of considering how it intersects with these other issues is no longer tolerable for a lot of folks.
Intersectionality as originally theorised by black feminists and Intersectional Feminism is something that can be lacking in tech spaces that I do think right now it sorely needs if it is to truly grow inclusive to the people we want in this community and to deal with the challenges ahead.
I believe FOSS’s original ethos and mindset is no longer enough. It’s long been too late and we need to go further. It’s not enough to be a tool without reckoning with how that tool is created and what it supports.
I want FOSS to be intersectional… and maybe it means adopting a new and better ethos that allows it to be better. Ethical licenses and source code might be that way.
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No, they weren’t, and I’m really not interested in you wasting my time - particularly since your only interaction with this community before this was to ask about Qubes OS support, a popular OS with trolls that like to run a dozen sock puppets at once on online forums.
I’m just pointing out that, of the two of us, it’s not me that looks like they’re participating in bad faith.
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You have to back up your claims, how were they not productive?
Why the baseless accusations? Qubes OS is a serious project, why are you associating it with trolls?
Let’s just stay on topic instead of throwing baseless accusations at people.
Out of context but need to clarify: That RISC-V laptop was DC-ROMA RISC-V Mainboard I by DeepComputing released a year ago for developers to use StarFive JH7110 which is normally used on SBCs on a laptop form factor. Now the company has released a stronger model back in july named DC-ROMA RISC-V AI PC which has ESWIN 7702 that is one of the most powerfull RISC-V based chips out there and has up to 50 TOPS of AI processing power! Its still not too late, its going to be awesome! Check here 
→ DC-ROMA RISC-V AI PC - DeepComputing
Other than that, I think Framework is a company committed to open hardware products therefore it belongs to us developers and consumers, no matter if our views are left or right. Framework is not in a position to make systematic changes to governance of our countries (which are all diverse, thanks to Internet we are like in one room) or everyday life except for hardware/software freedom. Only thing that matters is that Framework is committed to produce and provide us open hardware. DHH having an open source project that gets Framework’s support doesn’t change that fact.
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Please actually read some of the post history before commenting (or, in this case, shilling your employer’s product). No one is telling Framework to “make systematic changes to governance of our countries”, that’s an obvious strawman. We just don’t want Framework funding people that want us dead or gone, and so we’re exercising our freedom to not buy Framework’s products.
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Oh, dang that looks sick! And I was most assuredly unaware of that (RISC-V Framework 12 when?).
And I agree, open projects are like open space, legally and effectively owned by the people.
Beyond that, my opinion on the situation is in that post, so I won’t reiterate it, but I can’t say supporting DHH and Omarchy is of no concern.
EDIT: But my point still stands, perhaps even moreso. Regardless of the politics involved, if Framework is working on RISC-V hardware like that, would not their support be better put towards a RISC focused project like PostmarketOS?
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That seems unnecessarily hostile. Also, why would any company deliberately wade into this controversy lol
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I am a brown Turkish-Alawite immigrant residing in Italy, I couldn’t disagree more with DHH’s personal beliefs. DHH is just some random guy that happens to maintain an Arch installer that is quite popular, not president or someone with significant power to actually do what he thinks, but he unfortunately happens to maintain that project. Not saying that as a strawman. I am just trying to understand how supporting the project would enable DHH to execute his ideas even if the project is inseparable from him.
I think that’s how Nirav Patel is also thinking by supporting big-tent approach, as civil people’s political ideas just don’t affect our cause. As a white collar Asian minority in my country of residence just like him that probably faced similar cases racism/hardship in our lives and want to navigate our enterprises in a polarized world, I totally understand his way of thinking and think the same way.
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Appreciate the link. Questionable choice then by @tansiret but overall I still agree with the general massage communicated
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DeepComputing has nothing to do with DHH’s projects as we speak. I just replied to say that RISC-V laptop project is ongoing and actively supported by Framework, not dead.
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If you think it doesn’t affect you, great! But I (and many others) think differently, so we won’t purchase from Framework. We don’t want any of our money going to DHH or Vaxry (either directly or through hardware sponsorship), it’s pretty simple. There’s another thread about alternatives to Framework, I think I’m going to explore my options there.
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Well, I can’t spoil anything on that one 
That thread is locked and closed. Please do not make another one.
Why Vaxry? The case against him is moot now given the changes in moderation and the presence of publicly trans contributors in his project, no?
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