We’ve been over this, Hyprland’s moderation may have improved but Vaxry is still promoting people like DHH and Lunduke. Personally, I don’t want to support Vaxry in any way.
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I see, well there’s still plenty of information to read there. Can I ask why it was closed? I thought it was quite productive.
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You aren’t going to convince those that are set in their views. That applies both ways. I said that before and it remains true. Just stop. Then there won’t be any more discussion as there won’t be anything to react to and we can all just wait for Framework to issue another statement or not.
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I didn’t make that decision. I have no answer for you
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It’s fine to hold that position, but do you at least agree that Framework supporting Vaxry only wouldn’t justify this entire hysteria? And that there could be plenty of people comfortable with Framework supporting hyprland without being accused of supporting far-right racists?
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You’re asking me whether it would “justify this entire hysteria”, but I can only speak for myself. We’re not “coordinated” or a “mob” as some people have said (at least I’m not), it seems like we’re just a bunch of individuals who were each individually annoyed at what Framework is doing with our money. So I don’t know!
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What about the second question?
Sure? It’s a meaningless question. How many is “plenty of people”? I’ll be honest, it kinda seems like you’re just trying to nitpick and derail the conversation again. I don’t know how these questions could possibly matter. If you are being earnest, I apologize, but that’s how it seems to me.
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It’s hypothetical with no answer but yes. There could be yes but nobody can speak intelligently on the existence of such a group without sampling. So it’s meaningless question.
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there is 0 reason for anyone to reply to this person.
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Speak for yourself please. I find value in it still.
perhaps you two could discuss in dms then
You could also just ignore his comment? It cuts both ways. I have dm’d people when I felt it was appropriate, I’ll continue to do that.
I phrased it poorly, I wanted to ask whether FW supporting hyprland wouldn’t be sufficient ground for claiming that people who view it (it being FW supporting hyprland) as being unobjectionable are supporting far right racists.
I would really appreciate it if people were more charitable here and assumed good intentions on the part of others as we aren’t all native English speakers and many of us don’t know how to express ourselves in the best way, but alas emotions are running high here and bad faith accusations are very easy to make.
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Thank you for the clarification but it doesn’t change the overall conclusion. What you is ask is possible, it may even be probable but we won’t have a conclusive answer without statistically rigorous surveys. Which is a tad unrealistic I think you’ll agree.
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I’m not asking whether people who hold that position are more likely to be accused of being “far right racists” supporters, I don’t know how you interpreted my question to be one that would require a statistical survey. Maybe I didn’t express myself correctly, and if so I apologize.
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You are asking if it’s possible that there are individuals that are comfortable with FW supporting hyprland without simultaneously holding a view of supporting DHH or other far-right views.
that is how I interpreted your question/statement.
To determine if there is a statistically significant number of individuals, that would require surveys. If there is just one or two individuals then that proves your point in that such people exist but not in such a large enough number to justify not drawing a correlation between the views. The surveys would need to be random and may or may not be exclusive to the population of Framework owners. I could see an argument to design the survey either way.
Does that make sense?
No, I wanted to ask the other user whether in their personal opinion and judgment they could still view people who hold position A to not be “far right racists” supporters? (position A = FW supporting hyprland is not problematic)
From all accounts DHH isn’t some random guy but is quite prominent.
It would be like saying Nirav Patel, or Linus Torvalds is some random guy.
DHH has power as the creator of rails and in the various boards he’s on that funds rails.
You can read more about it here. I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on the article.
As others have noted, he’s racist, anti-immigrant, anti-trans and a supporter of the far right, and people have known about it for over a decade. The London protests that he speaks of was scary for all of us who are people of colour in the UK. I was terrified but then I’ve been terrified since last year’s national race riots.
Many folks in this thread have written about how they do not find it tolerable to associate with people who support the far right.
I am just trying to understand how supporting the project would enable DHH to execute his ideas
It’s not about that. The value is not on whether it would enable DHH to personally execute on his ideas. It’s that it’s seen to legitimise them. Framework doesn’t need to send Omarchy and DHH hardware or advertise them. DHH and Omarchy can purchase their own framework laptop.
Framework could instead (and i’m reiterating what others have said here) prioritise sending hardware to and sponsoring folks who don’t support the far right.
I don’t think that’s too hard to do and I hope that helps.
I wrote a post here on the the FOSS mindset and desire for more intersectionality that I and I think others would like to see. Let me know your thoughts on that as well.
Edit: Here are some other of my posts with outlinks or useful things that might be neat to review
- we can’t leave politics out of OSS because everything in FOSS is political.
- “We can either make the tech community a safe space for non-white dudes, or for racists like him. We can’t do both.”
- Various points and critiques of the big tent
- My analysis of this thread and what the majority (75%) of members here feel.
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oh my god guys it’s a fucking laptop who cares
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