Framework supporting far-right racists?

[Second_Coming]

@olp8

If they lobby the government to implement mandatory circumcision then yeah but if it’s just something the owner thinks just enjoy the pizza

“great things have small beginnings”…for better or worse.

The notion of boycott (or today’s world of “cancel culture”) has always been there…so nothing new really.

e.g.:

Fruit for thought. Never judge a book by its cover. #comedy #histoty #storytelling #standup

[iOnlyBuyFrameWorks]

erm, ackshully, I just purchased the desktop.

[Second_Coming]

@olp8

ragebaits

There lies another issue though…people easily baited / triggered. Lacking a certain degree of self-emtional-reguation competance, and externalizing that responsibility by blaming others.

[Anselm_Schuler]

I hope that’s just because it’s new and shiny. Hopefully.

[JBH]

I’ve been following this thread for the past couple days and I never thought a laptop forum would have me questioning my entire political leaning but here I am I guess. I bought my Framework 13 three years ago because I wanted a laptop that ran Linux well and wouldn’t be landfill fodder within a year like what happened with so many other laptops I bought. It was and still is to me a sensible decision and not a political one.

Now that it’s come to this, I feel like I don’t belong on either side of this argument. I’m neurodivergent and bisexual; I’m very much within the group of people that people like DHH want to disappear. But I also can’t identify with my own side when they resort to trying to destroy anything that doesn’t toe their exact political line for all eternity. What friends do you really have if they can turn on you the second you do something they don’t agree with ? So I guess I realized today that I’m more of a left-leaning moderate than a left-wing individual. I just can’t feel at home within a left-wing movement that values conformity over the inclusivity we’re supposed to be fighting for. This all-or-nothing mentality is destroying us from the inside. It put Donald Trump in the White House… *Twice.*

So back to the subject at hand… yes, the trench-digging Framework is doing on this (comparatively small) issue is probably a dumb idea. But the other side is engaging in bridge-burning behavior that is only serving to divide us even further, and when that happens, the right wing wins. I’m going to keep using and upgrading my Framework. Because my only real alternative is going back to supporting even worse brands at significant expense to myself.

[OliviaStarlust]

I don’t think we’re burning any bridges. We’re here when they respond. But at least some of us, a lot just can’t stay any longer. No one is trying to destroy framework on my “side”.

We love the promise of what framework is. A lot of us just can’t stand to see support for fascists. Not buying a product any longer isn’t the same as wanting to destroy framework.
I’m in no way divided from the people who support love and respect me who wouldn’t do this.

As I’ve said in previous comments that you’ve read, tech hasn’t really been great at being intersectional and it’s come to this point really.

[Ivirono]

@OliviaStarlust

The London protests that he speaks of was scary for all of us who are people of colour in the UK. I was terrified but then I’ve been terrified since last year’s national race riots.

Riots are no joke and I would be scared of them too.

Maybe talking more to your politicians in UK can help? They are fundamentally responsible for the outcomes of those riots. Not a piece of computer hardware which changed hands.

[OliviaStarlust]

I don’t think it’s an either or thing. I’m doing what I can locally. But I also think people like me would like to have the option of supporting a hardware computing company that is willing to stand with us and choose a bit better.

There’s an entire tech stack that I’m worried about with its complicity with fascism. How can I fully recommend framework to others knowing what I know about the choices they’ve made and their reasoning for it. it’s disappointing.

edit: Do you have any other thoughts about what I had written? e.g. Do you agree that framework could prioritise projects and people who aren’t involved in the far right?

[lukee]

Personally, I believe in fighting for a better future by all available means simultaneously, approximately weighted by effectiveness. Like current through a circuit!

[yuning_liang]

the world is divided, no business or communities can avoid. Imperfect world, imperfect human. We sponsoring a good technology project isnt about sponsoring the people’s imperfect personal views or behaviour who in the projects.

[Ivirono]

@OliviaStarlust

edit: Do you have any other thoughts about what I had written? e.g. Do you agree that framework could prioritise projects and people who aren’t involved in the far right?

That decision seems to already be made.

In EU nobody is deprioritised if he follows the law. The big tent includes you too.

[katchowski]

@TheEvilSkeleton

Probably because people don’t want you dead for simply existing, or similar. I wish I had the same experience and privilege as you, but transphobes want me dead, ableists don’t want me to get a job and think that I’m incapable of doing anything

In any other case you may have had a point here, but I was diagnosed with autism when I was 2, I’m a they/them, and there is not a single human alive who can understand my sexual preferences.

[lukee]

I’m a they/them

Cool! Does your passport have an X in the gender field? If so, I hope you know that you will soon be forbidden from crossing the USA border by airplane, because of the increasing normalization of hateful views like those espoused by DHH. Maybe you don’t live in the USA and have no intention of passing through, but fascism is on the rise worldwide.

You do you, but I personally don’t like this trend and would like to help stop it, in whatever small way I can. In this case, I am choosing not to purchase from Framework. I’ll reconsider buying from them when they put some minimal effort into addressing this issue.

[GhostLegion]

@lukee

You do you

Apparently that phrase is not allowed…

Framework supporting far-right racists?

Who said I was telling you how to spend your money? Perhaps I was quite genuine when I said you do you You have your own moral compass and ultimately it’s you who has to look at yourself in the mirror. So you do what you gotta do to make that happen

[not_winston_smith]

So I asked ChatGPT 5 Thinking, Claude Sonnet 4.5 with Extra Thinking, and Claude Opus 4.1 with Extra Thinking whether the article linked to multiple times provides any hard evidence of DHH being anything implied by the name-calling or by the outright name-calling seen in this thread.

Turns out the machines say there is no such evidence. It’s just an opinion piece.

[GhostLegion]

I don’t think this is proving what you think it does but ok

I don’t think any AI is any kind of arbiter of truth for any question

[DSN]

I don’t think an LLM is reliable for such a task. Some people have a more charitable interpretation of what DHH said in that blog post and this one shows some examples of mischaracterizations:

The Ruby community doesn’t have a DHH problem

But overall I wouldn’t say that DHH’s views on migration are any different from what half of Europeans or Americans believe in these days (unfortunately).

[not_winston_smith]

Some facts on a few Linux distributions:

• Omarchy was started 5 months ago, has 172 contributors listed and 13600 stars on GitHub
• Bazzite is 2 years old, 137 contributors listed and 6400 stars on GitHub
• CachyOS is 1.5 years old, it’s spread over many GitHub repositories, has less than 50 contributors in total and maybe around 2000 stars summed up

Where am I getting with here?

These are some of the strongest growing new Linux distributions, but it’s pretty clear, that Omarchy is on a league of its own.

There is absolute legit interest for Framework to provide Omarchy with machines to test.

Framework has never sponsored Omarchy or DHH. But they supposedly did provide at least a machine for testing purposes to the project. This is not sponsoring.

[pesco]

Hey Framework, I didn’t get the thing about tents or whatever but please distance yourself from far-right agitators. Vocally if you don’t mind.

[lukee]

You are far from the first person to make that point, so I suggest you read some of the post history. The short version is that China doesn’t care if we stop buying from them, but Framework might. Also, nearly every supply chain involves China at some point, but Framework has competitors.