I’m thinking it’s a matter of the distance of issue association. e.g. Is the issue impacting one’s life, directly / indirectly, and what’s the impact.
For example: If I buy a pizza from a company that constantly promoting circumcision is a must for every male in the country…my dxck would care alot! (And it cares not about the ‘pizza’ really)
So, back to your point…it’s not about the laptop.
If they lobby the government to implement mandatory circumcision then yeah but if it’s just something the owner thinks just enjoy the pizza
I’d like to live in a country without race riots so I can ignore people who support them and enjoy that pizza. Let me know when that’s the case. xx
“great things have small beginnings”…for better or worse.
The notion of boycott (or today’s world of “cancel culture”) has always been there…so nothing new really.
e.g.:
erm, ackshully, I just purchased the desktop.
Sure, then boycott the company. Nothing against that. My message was mainly directed towards people who spend hours arguing with stupid ragebaits in this thread.
There lies another issue though…people easily baited / triggered. Lacking a certain degree of self-emtional-reguation competance, and externalizing that responsibility by blaming others.
I hope that’s just because it’s new and shiny. Hopefully.
I’ve been following this thread for the past couple days and I never thought a laptop forum would have me questioning my entire political leaning but here I am I guess. I bought my Framework 13 three years ago because I wanted a laptop that ran Linux well and wouldn’t be landfill fodder within a year like what happened with so many other laptops I bought. It was and still is to me a sensible decision and not a political one.
Now that it’s come to this, I feel like I don’t belong on either side of this argument. I’m neurodivergent and bisexual; I’m very much within the group of people that people like DHH want to disappear. But I also can’t identify with my own side when they resort to trying to destroy anything that doesn’t toe their exact political line for all eternity. What friends do you really have if they can turn on you the second you do something they don’t agree with ? So I guess I realized today that I’m more of a left-leaning moderate than a left-wing individual. I just can’t feel at home within a left-wing movement that values conformity over the inclusivity we’re supposed to be fighting for. This all-or-nothing mentality is destroying us from the inside. It put Donald Trump in the White House… *Twice.*
So back to the subject at hand… yes, the trench-digging Framework is doing on this (comparatively small) issue is probably a dumb idea. But the other side is engaging in bridge-burning behavior that is only serving to divide us even further, and when that happens, the right wing wins. I’m going to keep using and upgrading my Framework. Because my only real alternative is going back to supporting even worse brands at significant expense to myself.
I don’t think we’re burning any bridges. We’re here when they respond. But at least some of us, a lot just can’t stay any longer. No one is trying to destroy framework on my “side”.
We love the promise of what framework is. A lot of us just can’t stand to see support for fascists. Not buying a product any longer isn’t the same as wanting to destroy framework.
I’m in no way divided from the people who support love and respect me who wouldn’t do this.
As I’ve said in previous comments that you’ve read, tech hasn’t really been great at being intersectional and it’s come to this point really.
Omarchy is an extremely overhyped project for what it is, and I think it’s pretty safe to say that most people discussing it on the internet will forget about it in a month or two
Riots are no joke and I would be scared of them too.
Maybe talking more to your politicians in UK can help? They are fundamentally responsible for the outcomes of those riots. Not a piece of computer hardware which changed hands.
I don’t think it’s an either or thing. I’m doing what I can locally. But I also think people like me would like to have the option of supporting a hardware computing company that is willing to stand with us and choose a bit better.
There’s an entire tech stack that I’m worried about with its complicity with fascism. How can I fully recommend framework to others knowing what I know about the choices they’ve made and their reasoning for it. it’s disappointing.
edit: Do you have any other thoughts about what I had written? e.g. Do you agree that framework could prioritise projects and people who aren’t involved in the far right?
Personally, I believe in fighting for a better future by all available means simultaneously, approximately weighted by effectiveness. Like current through a circuit!
the world is divided, no business or communities can avoid. Imperfect world, imperfect human. We sponsoring a good technology project isnt about sponsoring the people’s imperfect personal views or behaviour who in the projects.
That decision seems to already be made.
In EU nobody is deprioritised if he follows the law. The big tent includes you too.
In any other case you may have had a point here, but I was diagnosed with autism when I was 2, I’m a they/them, and there is not a single human alive who can understand my sexual preferences.
I’m a they/them
Cool! Does your passport have an X in the gender field? If so, I hope you know that you will soon be forbidden from crossing the USA border by airplane, because of the increasing normalization of hateful views like those espoused by DHH. Maybe you don’t live in the USA and have no intention of passing through, but fascism is on the rise worldwide.
You do you, but I personally don’t like this trend and would like to help stop it, in whatever small way I can. In this case, I am choosing not to purchase from Framework. I’ll reconsider buying from them when they put some minimal effort into addressing this issue.
Apparently that phrase is not allowed…
So I asked ChatGPT 5 Thinking, Claude Sonnet 4.5 with Extra Thinking, and Claude Opus 4.1 with Extra Thinking whether the article linked to multiple times provides any hard evidence of DHH being anything implied by the name-calling or by the outright name-calling seen in this thread.
Turns out the machines say there is no such evidence. It’s just an opinion piece.
