OFC, loads of Left wing people have Twitter Blue, actively paying Elon, I give Elon none of my money.
I don’t listen to anything he says.
I don’t own any car.
I’m sure plenty of German lefties are paying for twitter blue, which is far more support than I’m giving.
source? like a not madeup one?
i know noone i germany that uses twittter at all, at least in the north-german space
Wow!
Volksverp? How about that for a leftie?
Omas gegen… also paying for Premium.
A lot of users from Berlin and Frankfurt I personally know, many of the left mindset.
Source for what?
For 1 person who is verifiably left wing and has twitter blue?
If you’re asking for specifically German, IDK why, you’re clearly missing the “I’m sure” to move the goal post.
Point is, Left wing and communists pay for Twitter blue, and that is giving Elon support, way more than I ever have.
A couple of comments here suggested that Omarchy’s got good traction and is pulling people into FOSS, and maybe that’s why Framework’s tactically associating themselves. Regardless of whether that’s a good idea, it made me curious because I honestly hadn’t heard much about Omarchy since its announcement, and even then it only sprung up as this new thing DHH is doing.
So I dug a bit:
I go to Distrowatch for hot takes on new distros. Omarchy is recent, so no surprise it only shows up in the top lists when you filter to the last 3 months or so, but it is there. At first glance, reviews look like a healthy mix of people with very little Linux experience (wowed by the concept of a keyboard-driven WM) to those with a bit more (“it’s just a bunch of dotfiles”), but more interesting are the review dates: there’s a huge block of 10/10 reviews posted on Sept 19 with only a few reviews before or since. That’s very nearly half the reviews collected on a single date, all glowing. Huh!
Another comment here mentioned that Omarchy’s especially appealing to people coming from Mac, so I checked Fediverse since that’s a decent intersection of FOSS and Apple fans that isn’t overrun with bots. There I saw a couple of FOSS influencer/journalist types posting enthusiastic takes early after its announcement, and then… not much until the recent fracas. People deeply embedded in the Mac and FOSS communities don’t seem to care much about Omarchy. (Things are quite different on Twitter, which is also odd.)
One thing that did jump out in the older Fediverse posts was this link:
I’ve been around a few projects when someone suggested a CoC. There’s always a couple of dudes who would very vocally rather not, but I’ve never seen a reaction like this. Spot-checking profiles, they aren’t all private and recently created, but there’s enough to raise more suspicion.
It looks a lot like someone’s trying to manipulate opinion on this distro. Someone who really doesn’t like Codes of Conduct! That’s a whole new (to me) wave of red flags about the project.
Influencers are easy to manipulate and rampant on X & YouTube, but I’m not seeing much traction in grassroots platforms, minus a few transparent attempts at astroturfing. I think Framework’s being taken for a ride here.
I feel like the people calling anyone they don’t like a “far right racists” may have lost the plot lol
Remember, the second word in FOSS is OPEN, if you don’t like that people you don’t agree with can use it, don’t pub your commits and go buy a mac or something.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
From DHH himself 
What a delight to see this community recognize the trojan horseshit of the CoC at first sight! I wish I would have had such clarity of foresight back in the day when Rails got suckered into accepting the Contributors Covenant. We’re going to have exactly none of this nonsense in Omarchy.
Thank you for the research and adding something new. It’s clear to me from reading that thread that the community surrounding the development of Omarchy is kinda toxic. This way of talking about having a CoC is a big red flag. I’ve seen rails CoC and it’s not great.
It’s not just DHH’s rascism, anti-immigrant stance, islamaphobia or anti-trans stance but the kinds of communities he tends to create.
It gets worse the more we learn.
edit: The Contributor’s Covenant is a really good CoC that a lot of tech communities adopt. I’ve built some communities on it.
Thanks for this clear and sound statement. I myself don’t currently use Omarchy, but it looks interesting and worth supporting. As a long-time customer I would be very sad if Framework caved to the sort of outmoded bullying and lies embodied in the OP.
Wow.
I wasn’t intending on commenting further, as I thought I had already addressed everything intended in my previous comments, including DHHs blogs and comments themselves….
Wow though, that one comment chain says more about the community than anything else I’ve pointed to. That is a wild comment chain.
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A pretty large bang in the space.
References:
Like, from what I’m seeing in this link (and DHH’s views aside), arguably FW should have seen the controversies already bubbling up inside the Omarchy community and decided to steer far away from promoting/supporting it in any official capacity. I feel like no matter your business’s politics, it’s standard practice to do research into whatever you’re supporting to make sure you aren’t bringing things into your community that can cause conflict.
I’m… not convinced FW bothered to do this, and that’s concerning in its own right.
What are you talking about here? What controversies?
If there was a place to have a controversy visible, this would have been it. I see unanimity:
I actually checked Omarchy earlier out of curiosity, and its not bad in my opinion. Its definitely too opinionated for a seasoned Linux user, but that’s why it might be good for beginners (if they do not start to messing with the config files and change things). I did not liked the inclusion of some of bloatware, but for those, who are jumping over from macOS or Windows, yeah, why not. Its curated by DHH and his company, but a step forward would be something that does the similar user experience without bloatware for example. So if somebody does not like the author, you can still use the codebase and modify it for your needs (i.e. add programs that you need). That’s the user experience, what has been commented by some users in Reddit for example as well.
Again, I don´t have any comments on the possible influencer hype, I actually could care less. If its not anything special, its popularity will fade away soon.
But if someone likes it, and it does generally good things (like guiding more users from Windows/macOS to Linux, as Omarchy promises), then…just like someone commented today - even if the author is inherently bad or toxic, if the code does good things, it shows that the person still has something good left inside the soul. And therefore, it is OK to install, use and recommend it to others.
I see personal attacks, sitting there for literally anyone can see, which is not representative of a community that can handle discussing conflicting viewpoints in a constructive and respectful manner.
I’m not aware of who that is or the controversies surrounding him, but in that case, surely they could have closed the thread without calling him “schizophrenic“ and a “tylenol baby“, yeah?
Either way, FW isn’t promoting Drew Devault, they are promoting Omarchy…
In all honesty, is this the controversy you think about when you mentioned a controversy above?
Do you have any background on Drew and DHH? If not, please allow me: Drew was obviously trolling DHH after setting up on the road to remove him from Rails.
Btw, talking CoC, this is an amazing one:
This thread has unfortunately become that ‘Nazi Bar’. In this thread there seems to be several sets of people:
Obviously, with over a 1,000 posts in this thread, this doesn’t capture the nuances of all the posts. For people reading the threads, note in the messages whether, for example, the poster is just trying to down-play the issue, or say it’s not a problem, or ask for more clarification (repeatedly) about the issue, or inserting themselves into a conversation and trying to change the subject.
To Group 2 people; I won’t reply; you’re not just not worth engaging, as you are arguing in bad-faith and you know it.
What the very top-of-the-thread posters had warned was that by making it acceptable for the far-right and associated projects to be welcome here, it would draw them to the community. Well, that’s happened in this thread. It’s sadly going to gradually drive people away.
That Frame.work don’t seem to care (or are rabbit-in-the-headlights frozen on this), means that those of us in Group 1 will probably suspend engaging with Framework, stop buying and recommending the products and go and buy something else.
I bought framework products for the values they espoused, but if those values aren’t actually real, and are perhaps a cynical marketing/business process, then I can buy better products from other companies. After all, Framework wouldn’t be that different to those other companies apart from actually supporting problematic projects.
These two articles are useful to this.
The issue i saw was mentions of assume good intent. Which is a common pitfall but actually undermines diversity and inclusion in a community.
How “Good Intent” Undermines Diversity and Inclusion | The Bias
No more rock stars: how to stop abuse in tech communities – hypatia dot ca
Strangely enough the second article is very pertinent to our topic on DHH.
Edit: I received this from https://frameshiftconsulting.com/ who have a lot of neat guides on what is a CoC and how to use them to build communities such as this CoC guide.
Do you have any background on Drew and DHH? If not, please allow me: Drew was obviously trolling DHH after setting up on the road to remove him from Rails.
Then just close the thread? There’s no need for personal attacks.
Lol
