Again: is this the controversy you were thinking about? The controversy that Framework should have in your own personal opinion considered?
I don´t. To me, if the software is good, its good. If it is bad, it is bad. If its open, I like it as I can study and admire its intricacies and details…or loathe them 
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What personal attack?
Unfortunately you are a human being and this is an inescapable truth of being human. People have researched these things. We embed our biases in what we do and make.
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I’m guessing you aren’t a member of the community that feels threatened, harassed and victimised by the types of people in the projects that Framework has been called out on for supporting, encouraging and sponsoring. If you are, then please do take a look at their communities. If you aren’t, then may ask yourself if you’re a little privileged.
Anyway, this isn’t meant as a personal attack. I simply disagree with you and think that issues that affect members of the community should be discussed. People who don’t like what Framework should be able to feel free to voice that opinion and state that it affects their decision making on whether to buy products. This is useful information for Framework. If it’s a minority, then it won’t matter in the long run.
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To stay relevant to the point of my original post, if I was in charge of social media promotion for a company, and I go to a thread and see people just blatantly calling others “POS“, “schizophrenic“, “tylenol baby“, I sure would have reservations about promoting that project/community…
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Cool, good to see you kept your own preconceived notions at the door. If you’re not feeling unsafe and unwelcome in group 1, or unsure in group 3, you’re in group 2 that can only be sealioning and trolling. There’s no other reason you could possibly have a different opinion. Thanks for putting this very simply into 3 easily separable groups to make an us vs them mentality. Really helpful
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No worries. When you’re ready to engage with my post on the FOSS mindset and intersectionality and accept the research that many academics and social scientists have done. I’m sure you’ll be able to find folks who’ll be able to explain more about it.
I would recommend starting with reading Datafeminism. You can read the book here.
Edit: I imagine a lot of people here hold your views and think they’re the exception. Or that technology is neutral… or that all we need to do is focus on the code. That that’s all that matters. And I wish that were true. 
It would be nice if things were that simple. I get it’s hard to learn new things outside of just code but I hope people will.
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That’s good. Some of our biases are ones we’re not conscious of. They’re inherent in us and we may not perceive them until others point out to them. Implicit bias or unconscious bias are the term to search for.
To be very clear, this isn’t any judgement on you or anyone. We all have biases and they affect the things we make and in turn affect others. towards the original point. Omarchy devs definitely encode their toxicity in the work they make.
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Before I got my Framework, I would buy used Lenovos for myself and my business. I love 13, and while I won’t be boycotting the company, I am incredibly disappointed in their non-response to this issue. I won’t be promoting Framework to those around me anymore. I’ll also be considering used Lenovos for my future laptop purchases again.
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I’m really curious why this was flagged/hidden, all this was is a video by Gardiner Bryant that discusses the same topic we are.
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Who’s my “ilk“? Engage with the words I’ve said, not what you think I am.
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Lets not generalize here.
When you are ready to engage in what social scientists researching this have said and written about, and any of the sources I’ve shared. (it’s sorta their job to come to generalisations) Come find me. xx
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Sampling bias, most people who don’t care are not in this thread.
I would say most buyers are not even on the forum.
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That’s by far not as harmful as the names DHH is being called here, baseless.
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There’s a crisis of replication in those so called sciences.
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We need to read your personal post and an entire book before engaging further? And I was accused of sealioning…
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just so people know, i have flagged my own original post here.
it seems people are incapable of handling a sensitive topic on a public forum. it’s now the busiest topic of all time on this forum, and will likely reach similar stratospheric numbers in terms of views.
i’m not proud of this.
i’ve actually reached out to @nrp early on, same night, about this thread. we’ve had a pretty productive conversation that continues to this day.
i have kept mostly quiet here, except with one appeal to calm, which seems to have been entirely lost in the noise.
so i think this, again, should just stop. it’s becoming entirely disgraceful and i wonder if i should worry about my personal safety. i’ve asked moderators to close this thread and i wish the community will move on.
i think both sides have been heard plenty at this point, and we’ll see what Framework does about this, in due time.
in the meantime, while moderators decide what to do about this thread, can people just consider that it’s basically impossible to read up on the entire thread here. there’s just too much: Discourse estimates it’s a 250min read, that’s almost FOUR HOURS of reading.
i suspect absolutely no one has read this entire thread, and i don’t recommend anyone does at this point. at this point, everyone is trying to scream on top of each other, and it’s not productive.
please, just stop.
and, the next time this inevitably comes up, consider that it’s extremely hard to change someone’s mind on the internet. try to be more considerate, quiet, and read before you write. and when there’s too much to read, then it’s too much to write.
for now, i’ve muted this thread entirely. i will read any DMs.
have a good day.
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