A lot of people seem to think of history as distinct from the present and us as too enlightened to fall into the same trappings that they would rather not see the parallels to 1930s Germany in the US right now, but instead focus on the distinctions, but that doesn’t man they’re not there. There’s a large erosion of democracy, the free press is being intimidated, people are being demonized with little factual backing and a zero-qualification militia has started to round up “the common enemy“.
What else would be needed did you to call it? And was Germany already fascist in 1934 by your standard?
I don’t really understand, what you are implying here. Hitler came to power already in the beginning of 1933, in the next month, the Reichstag was on fire. So obviously yes, it was Nazi-Germany in 1934.
I agree that there is a “far-right” administration in the US. Can we call this a Nazi-US, right now ? No. It does not mean that there is dictatorship in the USA in the future, maybe even in the quite near future. It does mean that its ”March, 1933” in the USA, yet.
Same with DHH. After reading his blogpost:
Do I think he has at least some far-right views ? Yes.
Is he a nationalist ? Yes.
Is he against mass-immigration ? Yes! But does he call for mass-deportation of immigrants ? Its debatable, it could be interpreted as being against mass-immigration and then its not the same thing.
Is he a nazi ? I dont think so. And I am not gonna even debate about that. Could he be that in the future ? Who knows, but we cannot imply automatically that he is.
If gratifying my own ego implicitly means I won’t be supporting genocide and discrimination against innocent people, then I’ll be the first to say I’ll take it
That’s interesting. Your line is the Reichtstagsfire? My guess would’ve been more open hostility towards the jewish population, which only really escalated to what most people think of fascist atrocities after the invasion of Poland.
But as said, I think it’s silly to compare Nazi Germany to the modern US too much. We’re in the information age. I find that numbing the general public to an increasingly escalating rhetoric and actions calls is just new tactics for the same ideology. They are in power now, they don’t need to openly consolidate by abolishing democracy. Hollowing it out is all they need and fits in with slow escalation. The mode by which Fascists take power is above all opportunistic.
As for DHH, I sure think a lot of people parrot talking points and positions without the intent of being a Nazi, and that there’s a large disconnect between expressing a feeling and considering the implications. This is always very clear every time someone debates an (explicit) ethno-nationalist - displacement with “incentives” only goes so far, eventually things have to take a violent turn to satisfy the fascist self-destructive “will of the people”. If you ask me, extrajudicial deportation to foreign a prison with open human rights violations and no recourse is without doubt over a line that calls for the word fascism. What could CECOT be, if not a concentration camp?
That’s what effectively many people are calling for in my country in overpopulated cities - those who were not born in $BIGCITY should be moved to their home towns / villages. It’s implied they will not get out.
Obviously it’s not happening (except during Covid). Just deal with it.
The governments actually like to concentrate people in few areas… because it’s cheaper to provide communal services and is good for business.
You have actually valid points. CECOT is indeed horrible. And we definitely have some common ground.
All I am asking is just to be fair. But other opinions are other opinions and I try to respect these.
But I will stop actually here. I think I cannot continue this personally anymore, maybe because topic is quite sensitive and challenging as well and I wish well for Framework - as this whole thread is too controversial and I am afraid of doing more damage than good by taking part of it.
It takes a long time to shape one’s beliefs. I don’t think these can be changed on a forum thread and I make no attempts to do so with yours or anyone else’s. You have every right to take your custom to or from any business that isn’t aligned to your views. I have no issue with this.
However, I do have an issue with imposing one’s beliefs and politics onto a company and having the expectation that company falls into that mould. Voting with your choice and your wallet according to your moral compass is noble. I respect it. Where the veil of nobility dissolves is when the need to force compliance to your worldview takes over.
It’s not enough to leave silently and take your custom elsewhere. You need to shout about it on every platform, convince others, engage with everyone who beliefs otherwise, establish your righteousness over theirs, demand apologies, demand change. This isn’t noble, neither kind, nor worthy of respect. This is the egocentric characteristic I spoke about. And it is time we stopped entertaining it.
You need to shout about it on every platform, convince others, engage with everyone who beliefs otherwise, establish your righteousness over theirs, demand apologies, demand change.
This is indeed how all social change and improvement happened over the years. Civil rights, women’s suffrage, the end to slavery, the 5-day work week. I’m proud to participate in this to create a spirit of inclusivity for all people—especially those most vulnerable populations like trans and immigrants—and I will do it with double the enthusiasm going forward, reminded by you of the importance of the effort.
This is how those came into effect indeed. But comparing them to the present situation is apples to oranges. What we have here is a very classic case of left vs right ideology. You’re living in a predominanently (and increasingly) conservative world. As recent years have shown, all of the left’s enthusiasm on minority issues has alieanated the masses and pushed more and more people to the right. So with this in mind, keep up the effort.
This is more of an assertion than an argument, but you seem incapable of seeing anyone advocating for social change be motivated by anything but narcissism. My guess is that this reflects more on you than me.
I care about social justice. I care about democracy. I am from a minority that is being targeted by the Trump admin and while I’m not in the US, the sentiment is finding some traction globally. I try to be diplomatic and open despite the bad-faith engagement. I would have no qualm about promoting a piece of software from someone who has grown as a person. (I’ve been told vaxry has, and if that’s true, that’s good, and I don’t mind the promotion of Hyprland.)
I will add that all of the movements behind those issues were largely laser-focused on their specific issue. Today, the left has forgone that and is attempting to force the world to become more inclusive in every conceivable way all at once, which is never how social change has ever worked.
Expecting the world to drastically change immediately and calling everyone who has any level of concerns regarding this a “fascist” or a “Nazi" is causing immense damage to the entire progressive movement. People who have progressive beliefs but a more realistic belief in implementing them (like me) are instead met with accusations of supporting the opposite side merely due to not sharing their extremist beliefs. And it’s left to the right to recruit these disillusioned individuals, which is the mechanism which has led to the resurgence of far-right politics that we’re currently seeing.
A number of folks have reached out to us over the last few days to ask that we share more about which organizations we sponsor. This is certainly something we should have been doing already for transparency, and today we’ve published the list of all of our 2025 sponsorships so far, which total around $215,000. We’ll be keeping this list up to date over time. In addition, we would love nominations of a broader set of mission-aligned organizations we can sponsor, and we’ve created a submission form for this. As you can see from the list for this year, our focus is primarily around funding organizations developing Linux distros and window managers, open source firmware, educational organizations doing open source hardware development, and open source infrastructure that our hardware products and website depend on.
Since this thread started in part around our donation to Hyprland, we wanted to provide additional specific context there. We decided a few months ago to be more deliberate about funding the maturity of the Linux desktop by providing support to both distros and window managers. On the latter, we started sponsorship discussions with the GNOME Foundation ($1,000/month), KDE Foundation ($10,000/year), and Hyprland (600€/month) at the same time, with the plan to announce them together. We sent the funding to Hyprland and GNOME Foundation last week, and have been working with KDE Foundation to finalize our sponsorship. We’ve also been working with GNOME Foundation on announcement timing, as they needed to update the sponsor list on their site. We missed on letting Hyprland know that we wanted to announce these together, and they shared the sponsorship shortly after receiving it last week.
On Hyprland specifically, we were aware that there was past toxicity and controversy in their community, so we did research into it before deciding if we could sponsor the project. What we found was that there were past failures in moderation early in the creation of the project that had resulted in a toxic community, that the project lead vaxry had overhauled moderation years ago as a result, and that the community as it currently stands does not represent the one in which the issues occurred. Over the last few days, we’ve gotten additional outreach from others in the community who were initially concerned about our sponsorship of Hyprland who did their own research and came to a similar conclusion to what we did.
Going forward on this topic:
We are going to continue to update our list of sponsorships as we go to give transparency on what we’re monetarily backing. As noted above, in general we want to coordinate the updates with the organizations we sponsor so that their website updates and announcements happen around the same time as ours.
We’re requesting that you provide additional nominations of mission-aligned organizations that we should sponsor. Note that in the near-to-mid term, we’re still prioritizing organizations focused on open source firmware, software, and hardware that make the ecosystem around our products more mature and accessible. If you have recommendations of other good organizations, please feel free to submit those in the form as well, but they may come into future funding cycles.
Before we sponsor an organization, we will continue to research and confirm that as they currently exist, they uphold appropriate community standards and are structurally set up for that to continue to be the case.
Although this thread has continuously spiraled into unproductive directions that have needed active moderation, we do still plan to keep it open for now and merge additional related new threads into it. Please remember to follow our forum rules though and keep conversation productive and free of personal attacks.
Thank you @nrp. I’m a little confused though. You previously said:
I don’t see Omarchy or any of these other distros listed in the blog post, except for perhaps the hardware donation to NixCon representing a donation to NixOS. Perhaps some of the donations above didn’t happen in 2025, so they wouldn’t be in the blog post. But Omarchy was created in 2025. Could you explain this discrepancy? Maybe I’m missing something.
The list includes monetary sponsorships and unit donations, but not units sent for marketing (e.g. press units) or development purposes, some of which is pre-release hardware we send under NDA. These are marketing/R&D expenses rather than donations, but also, we haven’t been doing good record-keeping in the past on these. The list in my earlier post (“Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, NixOS, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Omarchy, and many other distros”) was a subset of R&D units we sent to open source developers in 2025.
Edit: We’re updating the blog post to clarify this point further.
Corporate lingo aside, this is honestly a really disappointing response. Most of us in this thread have already somewhat established that Hyprland put a lot of effort into making their community more inclusive, but most debates in this entire thread had nothing / very little to do with Hyprland. You haven’t addressed anything regarding Omarchy, which is the main concern here. Why did you [Framework] keep posting about Omarchy on Twitter? As an extension to this, why did you then post about being pro-immigration and pro-LGBTQ+ also on Twitter, especially when DHH has clearly shown to be against both?
I’m willing to put my opportunities of being hired by the Foundation on the line, if it means not listing Framework on the site as it stands, until addressed properly. What y’all did was not okay, to put it bluntly.
Labelling something as a marketing/R&D expense feels a bit like a fudge, and one that doesn’t make a meaningful difference. At the end of the day, you gave them a laptop free of charge. That’s something with a real (and significant) monetary value, to say nothing of the publicity of promoting them on Framework’s social media.
To me on the outside, “this isn’t a donation because it came from a different internal department” rings pretty hollow.
How is it disappointing? It simply means Framework didn’t sponsor Omarchy to begin with. Nirav just sent a laptop to the developer, maybe did so out of his pocket for the sole purpose of R&D that at the moment he deemed beneficial. Framework account posted about Omarchy because it’s a popular distro. Framework posts about popular stuff in OSS/OSHW communities every single day. It doesn’t mean Framework sponsors any of those projects.
