I own 3: I put together my first intel framework 13 in Oct 2021, then exchanged the motherboard for amd in 2024 and used the old intel board as a separate computer with the mainboard case, and just a couple days ago i built the framework desktop and that is what i am typing on right now. It’s a great little thing, really love it. I’ve played some games on it, seems to work well enough for me, but I’m only a casual gamer so I can see it not being enough for some people.
If you are a hardcore gamer I don’t think its the right fit. The soldered-on RAM being unified and sharable with the GPU is pretty big to me for when I eventually do local LLM things, but if you just want to pew pew that isn’t really a thing you’d care about.
Disappointed in Framework’s decision to back unethical individuals. It says everything about a company’s values. You are who you surround yourself with — I won’t be supporting Framework anymore.
I am happy framework supports the linux community more, yet i am disappointed FW hasn’t vetted the projects they support more and did not support those who in the most favorable of words can be called far-right. Especially since for both of the controversial projects, you have more then enough alternatives to also support who do need the support.
Intolerant people are leaving because Framework ain’t bending the knee (so far). It’s not surprising and I guess they didn’t believe in Framework’s mission in the first place. If it wasn’t this thing it would eventually be something else as the entire industry is walking on egg shells. There are a whole lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum. I see a lot of one side more than the other asking to cut ties and pressuring companies for a result though. I also think one side is likely to join a community to just to post in discussions like this but not interact otherwise. People are not going to step into your world to argue within it.
Framework appeasing one side’s views by canceling ties with projects or people is going to alienate a bunch of people. They should remain politically neutral.
Definitely agree here. Given the painful meaning of n*** and f*** I can’t accept calling the DHH/Hyprland folks that. If not for something else, on behalf of those in my family who perished at the hands of Germans during the two world wars.
If, on the other hand, f/n is used with the modern meaning, as casually used by the left in the US, Germany, etc., who cares about such a label? It’s overused and meaningless. At the same time this is dangerous and unwise, for it trivializes atrocities, desensitizes the public and distorts the perception of past horrors especially for younger generations.
This is a very biased statistic, because it only counts people in this thread. I’m almost sure 99% of Framework’s customer base have never even heard about this
Yeah, semantics. I think people do not really understand anymore where that word came. I guess that’s why it is so easy to casually throw this around, well like this:
I don’t really understand, what you are implying here. Hitler came to power already in the beginning of 1933, in the next month, the Reichstag was on fire. So obviously yes, it was Nazi-Germany in 1934.
I agree that there is a “far-right” administration in the US. Can we call this a Nazi-US, right now ? No. It does not mean that there is dictatorship in the USA in the future, maybe even in the quite near future. It does mean that its ”March, 1933” in the USA, yet.
Same with DHH. After reading his blogpost:
Do I think he has at least some far-right views ? Yes.
Is he a nationalist ? Yes.
Is he against mass-immigration ? Yes! But does he call for mass-deportation of immigrants ? Its debatable, it could be interpreted as being against mass-immigration and then its not the same thing.
Is he a nazi ? I dont think so. And I am not gonna even debate about that. Could he be that in the future ? Who knows, but we cannot imply automatically that he is.
If gratifying my own ego implicitly means I won’t be supporting genocide and discrimination against innocent people, then I’ll be the first to say I’ll take it
That’s what effectively many people are calling for in my country in overpopulated cities - those who were not born in $BIGCITY should be moved to their home towns / villages. It’s implied they will not get out.
Obviously it’s not happening (except during Covid). Just deal with it.
The governments actually like to concentrate people in few areas… because it’s cheaper to provide communal services and is good for business.
You have actually valid points. CECOT is indeed horrible. And we definitely have some common ground.
All I am asking is just to be fair. But other opinions are other opinions and I try to respect these.
But I will stop actually here. I think I cannot continue this personally anymore, maybe because topic is quite sensitive and challenging as well and I wish well for Framework - as this whole thread is too controversial and I am afraid of doing more damage than good by taking part of it.
It takes a long time to shape one’s beliefs. I don’t think these can be changed on a forum thread and I make no attempts to do so with yours or anyone else’s. You have every right to take your custom to or from any business that isn’t aligned to your views. I have no issue with this.
However, I do have an issue with imposing one’s beliefs and politics onto a company and having the expectation that company falls into that mould. Voting with your choice and your wallet according to your moral compass is noble. I respect it. Where the veil of nobility dissolves is when the need to force compliance to your worldview takes over.
It’s not enough to leave silently and take your custom elsewhere. You need to shout about it on every platform, convince others, engage with everyone who beliefs otherwise, establish your righteousness over theirs, demand apologies, demand change. This isn’t noble, neither kind, nor worthy of respect. This is the egocentric characteristic I spoke about. And it is time we stopped entertaining it.
You need to shout about it on every platform, convince others, engage with everyone who beliefs otherwise, establish your righteousness over theirs, demand apologies, demand change.
This is indeed how all social change and improvement happened over the years. Civil rights, women’s suffrage, the end to slavery, the 5-day work week. I’m proud to participate in this to create a spirit of inclusivity for all people—especially those most vulnerable populations like trans and immigrants—and I will do it with double the enthusiasm going forward, reminded by you of the importance of the effort.
This is how those came into effect indeed. But comparing them to the present situation is apples to oranges. What we have here is a very classic case of left vs right ideology. You’re living in a predominanently (and increasingly) conservative world. As recent years have shown, all of the left’s enthusiasm on minority issues has alieanated the masses and pushed more and more people to the right. So with this in mind, keep up the effort.
