Many live by the word of their God. The issue with this morality is that, depending on which religious text, it may go as far as denying the right to exist to quite a few groups. You may disagree with this morality. And your morality will disagree with theirs. Subjective.
Once again, this does not mean that all moral positions are equally valid. As a matter of practical safety, we cannot accept as valid (for example) ancient prescriptions of execution by stoning as punishment for not conforming to cisheteronormativity. We cannot accept any morality that denies the truth that all human beings are equally inherently valuable, because we know from history the practical consequences of that morality.
You can claim youâve experienced great âsufferingâ from being misgendered.
I made no such claim. The suffering I was alluding to was things like subjecting Queer people to actual material violence, such as evicting and disowning a child for being trans (in a time when young people can increasingly only afford to live with their parents), firing that person for being trans, denying access to healthcare and domestic violence shelters (both menâs and womenâs) for being trans, and subjecting them to the intersection of violent treatments faced by Queer people and homeless people by individual âphobes as well as the police.
So more than half of the US population and more than half of the UK populations are fasicsts[sic]? Got it. If you insist that traditional values are fascism then, sure weâre all fascists and Iâm proud for being one.
The cohort that actually makes up the core of that movement represents far less than half of the US population. Even so, open and explicit white supremacism used to be much more socially acceptable. The unspoken assumption you seem to be making is that itâs impossible for half the population (or even just a large minority of the population) to be in favor of supremacism, despite the fact that that has been true before, and it doesnât change the moral invalidity of supremacism. To quote A.R. Moxon again, âYes, many of them are ignorant, and that ignorance is very often deliberately chosen, and yes, many of them are misguided, often because they like where being misguided takes them, but also a lot of them are just open bigots and they like open bigotryâ
Are these things happening? Where are they happening? In every European country every single one of these examples is highly illegal and very strictly enforced.
The Coda Story link is about âThe global rise of anti-trans legislationâ, the YouTube link is primarily about medical discrimination in the UK, and the book Anti-Gender Politics in the Populist Moment by Agnieszka Graff (Associate Professor at the University of Warsaw) and ElĆŒbieta Korolczuk (Associate Professor at Södertörn University in Stockholm) talks at length about mainland European politics.
âGlobalâ being US (judged by the entire world for their approach to many issues), Russia (one of the most anti-progressive socieities on Earth), Uganda (weird pick, hardly comparable to modern Western society by any metric), and India - itâs own wolrd very very different culturally than modern society in the West.
The title of the video is about the crisis of the British healthcare system. It is indeed a crisis and on the verge of collapse and it has nothing to do with trans movement. I can email my doctor 10000 times and I wouldnât even get an acknowledgement. Heck, even a phone call goes unanswered 30-40 times only to be followed by an hour on hold and be given an appointment 3 months down the line. Itâs a terrible system all around and it can be discriminatory in a number of ways, not reserved to trans people.
It talks about far-right campaigns and rise of the far-right. It doesnât invalidate my statement that in Europe we have laws preventing the examples you previoulsy listed from happening. None of the links you provided invalidate that statement. As it stands, legislation is rock solid in the defence of vulnerable groups of any kind in any European country. Russia can be discounted from that statement - thatâs an outlier in a number of subjects.
Hey man, uhhh I donât know if you heard this, but at this very moment thereâs a controversy in America where a whole bunch of Republican staffers got uncovered saying in groupchats that Hitler was great, called black people monkeys, implied Jews were behind everything, and at least one said that their political opponents should go into gas chambers. Also at this very moment, it turns out a congressional GOP office had a swastika US flag on the wall. Itâs genuinely funny to read your post in that context.
Also - your reply reads like you put the OG post in Grok and said âreply to that pleaseâ. Just saying, maybe change up the formatting next time.
This is just ridiculously oblivious to say for anyone even remotely following civil rights groups in the EU. If youâre not doing that, perhaps thatâs where you should start, way before you go ahead and confidently state incorrect things.
This isnât a criminal case, and being a far-right extremist isnât a crime, as much as I find them repugnant. I would not call these accusations unproven, DHH expresses views on transition I would call at best enabling the anti-trans position, he likewise expresses views about immigration that I would call downright disgusting. It is not much of a leap to argue these two positions are connected given that this is almost always the case with these types. Again, no one is on trial here, I am not beholden to the standards of evidence necessary to prove criminal guilt, even so, the case that DHH is on the far-right is strong.
You will not launder this blatant White supremacist rhetoric as âconcerns about immigration levels.â The entire argument surrounding immigration is entirely manufactured and spurred on by White nationalists and xenophobic agitators who refuse to accept the material reality that immigration improves societies across the board. And of course DHH is fine with himself as an immigrant, he is European. Immigration only becomes concern for these people when non-White people decide to immigrate too. Fascism and racism are not internally coherent ideological frameworks, hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug.
This entire conversation youâve been trying to desperately water down DHHâs views that absolutely do amount to a perspective that aligns with the far-right. âA mainstream political position held across the spectrum in every Western democracyâ? Even if I granted you this, it changes nothing; far-right ethno-nationalism is not some niche political position, it is on the rise and has been in Western democracies for some time now because it is being left unchallenged and allowed to fester by people who practice this âopen-tentâ strategy. When you invite far-right extremists to the table, they push everyone else out.
Even if you hate DHHâs politics, Framework sponsored Rails World, a tech conference. Not his blog. Not his political campaign. A conference about web development.
The fact that you canât separate those things is why this whole campaign is absurd.
We do not want our money going toward someone who holds these repugnant beliefs regardless of what he happens to be doing at that moment. That has been clear from the start. Framework can sponsor what it wants, we can make noise and deny them our support. Thatâs literally all there is to it. People practicing their right to withhold support and tell others about it seems to really bother you for some reason.
Turns out people who have more time on their hands have more time to care about injustice. Maybe more people would care if people didnât have to work so much all the time. Maybe thatâs actually a major contributor to a lot of big social problems.
Most of the actual content of the video is about the specific ways trans healthcare in the UK is failing due general underfunding-related issues (which does indeed affect the whole NHS, though even then it disproportionately affects low-income people, which disproportionately means marginalized people especially women of color), but also specific transphobia of individual NHS personnel, and (most importantly for the thesis of the video) structural issues with the way trans healthcare works in the NHS, since trans people are required to get a psych evaluation full of extremely invasive and humiliating questions in order to get the same healthcare that cis people can just get directly from their general practitioner (e.g. hormones, breast reduction, hysterectomy, orchi(d)ectomy, hair removal, anti-hair-loss medication) as well as basic rights like marriage and adoption, and also itâs a years-long waiting list to even get that psych evaluation despite the fact that British citizens have a legal right to a first appointment within 18 weeks of referral because the NHS insists on forcing trans patients to go to a separate, segregated âgender clinicâ, and that psych evaluation is required to change your legal sex marker, so if you canât change that then prospective employers and landlords will instantly know youâre trans, and the laws that supposedly prevent them from discriminating actually donât prevent anything in practice. Transphobia rife among UK employers as 1 in 3 won't hire a transgender person - Crossland Employment Solicitors
I highly recommend actually watching the video. You might learn some interesting things that could be relevant to your own country.
Also, like, your first instinct was to deny that these things are happening, and then, when confronted with examples of it happening, to claim that the places with the most obvious examples of it happening donât really matter? So given that the primary premise of supremacism is that some people matter and others donâtâŠ
I suppose it should be expected from the use of the âtraditional valuesâ euphemism.
There are really a lot of us Danes who believed that when people came to this âworldâs best countryâ and were given such good opportunities, they would integrate. They would become Danish, and they would never, ever harm our society. All of us who thought that way have been wrong.
I would argue that the people of Denmark actually have a lot of experience with immigration.
This was said by Mette Frederiksen, the Danish Prime Minister, the leader of Social Democrats, a member of Party of European Socialists.
The things in Europe are a bit different than you can imagine, and Ms Frederiksen is quite frank. So is DHH. Neither are far right. Just honest frank Danes.
Not only that, but outrage is always far more represented than support. It rings true in every domain of society. Itâs human nature to shout the loudest about the things we disagree with.
Itâs evident here too. One only needs to look at the registration date of the users most actively engaging in that rhetoric. Almost the entirety, with very few exceptions, registered in the last week.
Can we all just take a step back here and consider for a minute: until a few days ago approximately no-one had ever heard of DHH or was aware of his views on immigrants in London.
This thread, saturated with many copies of the link to his blog and his immigration essay, has now had 40m views; a marketing success the man could not have conceived of before, the sort of numbers youâd normally have to pay a serious sum to an ad company for.
âŠwhat was the end goal in trying to get Framework to stop mentioning him, again?
The end goal was to get a statement from Framework that said something like âwe shouldnât have done that, we made a mistake, we donât support DHH or his viewsâ.
We got none of that. But at least we know what Framework does support. Everyone is now free to keep giving them money and free labor. Or not.
You see, before it was only âFramework supports Omarchy!â. Now itâs more âFramework supports Omarchy, made by DHH, whoâs a person with far-right ideas.â
At least we know where everyone stands
For what purpose? What is it we are ultimately trying to achieve here?
Iâd assumed the goal here was to reduce the platform for DHH and his views, but you seem to be implying that getting Framework to submit is an end in itself?
Honestly, you should be more aware of the realities in which business and people have to operate. Interesting topic I just found: Reddit - The heart of the internet (4 years of job experience)
I hope this doesnât get deleted as well, because others have posted many links already.
