Honestly, you should be more aware of the realities in which business and people have to operate. Interesting topic I just found: Reddit - The heart of the internet (4 years of job experience)
I hope this doesn’t get deleted as well, because others have posted many links already.
BTW, I only buy Intel processors. 
Given my experience of what’s classed as ‘far right’ and ‘racist’ these days, I don’t think anybody needs to worry.
That is not yet understood in certain parts of society, but the unfortunate truth is that the vast majority in Germany, the US, Canada, and GB (to name just the countries I know pretty well personally) don’t care about such terms anymore. They have unfortunately been trivialized.
When everyone is this and that, nobody is.
This is called normalization and it is a conscious and active tool of far-right strategy.
Of course people overusing terms or inflating things is exactly what they want, because what they also want is for others then to get mad and confused about legitimate complaints of actual far-right racism.
Why would Framework feel bad about what they did? Independent of that, in spite of Framework clearing things up explicitly and providing transparency, it wasn’t enough. NixOS bears witness that the appeasing is never enough, in spite of it being ongoing for years.
To reiterate, these are the facts as they stand:
(15K GitHub starts, after being released end of June this year)Interesting to see that this is now down to him having certain ideas. Where does that leave us at?
Now I’m confused. Do you mean to suggest that the name calling is done by far right people?
I don’t think you’re confused. You’re arguing in bad faith.
I think the blog post by Jake Lazaroff that’s linked in the top post in this thread lays out very clearly and rationally how DHH outs himself as holding the views of, yes, a far-right racist nut. In this thread, Framework were asked to distance themselves from him. That would have been as easy as stating “yeah, those views of his are pretty terrible, we do not want to be associated with them!” and then refraining from further advertising his projects.
Yet, Framework have stubbornly avoided doing so. They have instead issued a statement about something else. It’s conspicuous.
I wouldn’t say it’s in bad faith so much as it may get confusing because of all the jumping from concrete examples to general ideas and back.
Yes, society at large may act like you describe, mainly because of the weaponization of such accusations, but also because often it’s a false “crying wolf” – not sure if the idea is culturally universal - but a boy cried wolf several times for fun and people reacted each time in good faith, until they got fed up and didn’t show when a real wolf appeared.
And in this thread It can be argued the effect of all of the AGAINST is as in the comment of not_winston_smith if we follow your words - but applied to our tiny bubble of a discussion.
“The devil is in details”.
Yes, our lives depend on it. Our lives depend on the everyday things we can do and say. And they depend on diversity, diversity of opinion, which can be very different across the political spectrum, including from left politicians such as Bill Clinton and Ms. Frederiksen, DHH’s Danish Prime Minister.
We need to be able to have politically independent companies and communities. Framework has done nothing wrong.
And I have to disagree, not even halfway to funny. It shouldn’t take this to defend their good faith actions.
I can’t muster the enthusiasm to go through the entire thread here, so please summarise. I don’t assume DHH is a disagnosis in the autism spectrum? But how is it related to the good Ms. Frederiksen (all hail!)?
Terms such as “fascist”, “nazi bar” and so on are being thrown about continuously, but they are now so separated from their original meanings we might as well replace them with some generic bad-karma term like “evil”, since attempting to associate someone with bad karma is the single key point of commonality in their use that remains.
She told parliament for instance:
We can’t promise zero asylum seekers but we can create a vision, like we did before the election, that we want a new asylum system and then do what we can to implement it.
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We must take care that not too many [refugees, ed.] come to our country, otherwise our social cohesion could not exist. It is already under threat
This would qualify her for name calling, I would expect. Still, she is the leader of a left party. Diversity in action.
There are many more I could quote, but I will only quote one more:
“People are coming from outside who commit serious crimes and do not respect our values and way of life,” Ms Frederiksen told MEPs in Strasbourg on Tuesday. “I don’t think there is a place for them in Europe, and they should be expelled.”
I truly hope that Framework will allow these quotes, as they are directly related to the open and frank environment DHH comes from.
They have sent him multiple laptops and FW Desktop, even before the whole Omarchy thing was even in his mind. The first thing was Omakub, a Ubuntu based collection of “dotfiles”.
The thing here is that for a while FWs Twitter feed was full of Omarchy related tweets, like almost daily and it was constant.
None of the other “distros” that FW supports get that kind of “marketing”. Haven’t really seen something like this done for Arch or Bluefin for example. But I guess these are not special enough to create a dotfiles for Hyprland.
Holy shit, never understimate how much people can argue on the internet.
It’s been long enough to make a decision, I’m going to go ahead and cancel my pre-order for the 240W FW Charger
If you think that nobody knew who DHH was until this thread, it’s not surprising that you misunderstand the issue people have with Framework providing promotion and hardware. DHH is well-known in the industry. He founded the Rails web framework project, which this forum’s software runs on. He’s already made news in the tech space. Framework promoting him and his projects isn’t giving him much in the way of publicity or reach he didn’t already have. What it does do is make some of us deeply uncomfortable that they are promoting a project that’s from someone who at the very least is vocally sympathetic to far-right white nationalists.
I’m also of the mindset that Framework’s continued silence constitutes an active choice to keep supporting DHH. I’m logging off of this thread. I am done with Framework.
i dunno. this topic and framework’s reply to it has just been so … disappointing.
nobody buys a framework because it’s a great deal for the specs. it’s simply not. you buy it to support the idea that we should have the ability to upgrade our laptops - and, as an extension to that, that they, framework, are doing things ‘the right way’.
… i support framework’s general mission of making computers more modular. that’s great! but when they are helping to normalize this kind of rhetoric, it at the very least gives off the impression that, as a company, human rights are optional if the goal of ‘easier-to-repair computers’ is achieved.
… i’d much rather have both. and i don’t think that the one leads to the other: frankly, i care more about the human rights part than the computers part.
I very much believe framework did a W in not locking this thread.
This thread serves exactly the purpose every discussion in history should. Everyone gets to speak their mind and concerns, those at the head of the discussion get to give their feedback. Those who dissent can raise awareness on how to more effectively exersize thier moral compass, etc.
I have said many times in my life, the only way to defeat evil speech is with better words. Censorship hurts everyone.
The Gnome foundation is now deciding to not accept funds from framework and honestly, I think that’s fine. Framework can keep the money and use that to further their goals in sustainable hardware, and Gnome can die in their hubris. It’s sad that they will choose that, gnome is cool software, but that’s what happens when politics intercepts technology.
The paradox of tolerance for the intolerant is that we shouldn’t (morally speaking) allow racists and homophobes into a peace conference. But at the end of the day we use the research Nazi scientists conducted to better peoples lives in the modern day. Whether you like it or not Evil can have positive outcomes. Typically from the good misusing evil tools, but nonetheless this is what happens.
We need to stop thinking so black and white about Good and Evil. There’s just people who do things and we interpret those things as Good or Evil depending on our frame of reference. For ex.
“We should deport immigrants” is an evil thing to say to you, I, and most likely most people. But if you changed the context to include more information, you could feasibly make the comment more defensible. For ex. In Canada, we legitimately have an immigration issue. We are simply letting in too many people. Our housing and job economies are suffering. I have many friends who are immigrants before this became an issue, in fact my wife is an immigrant. But many Canadians are being labelled racist for pointing out the issue. I would like to work towards a solution that solves our problems where we can accept immigrants still but not impact our economy the way it has been. But I would be called a racist for simply talking about this.
While I would argue that we would have been better off without the enormous ethical cost the Nazi scientists incurred, the current leftist implementation of the “paradox of tolerance” to justify hypocritically excluding people outside their belief system is probably the worst thing to happen to progressivism in decades.
As a director of the GNOME Foundation, the GNOME Foundation has not yet decided anything regarding donations from Framework. You may be referring to internal, casual discussions of GNOME Foundation members that were screenshotted and then publicly shared out of context, which has become a pattern in certain circles of the Internet—typically with the end result of smearing and harming GNOME, its contributors, and other open source projects. It’s tiring, but I digress.
Just thought that was worth pointing out. We look forward to chatting with the Framework team to share the very real and valid concerns of members of our community, and to see if and how we can move forward together while addressing those concerns.