He did, and his community now is much more respectful of trans people and transphobes get banned:
Additionally I can’t recall any major incidents since that one… I’m trying to investigate further to see if things are better now but, so far, as a PRELIMINARY look at things mind you, things seem… Actually not bad now? The things I’m seeing indicate the leadership actually cares about trans people rather than hates them, especially since I see a lot of very outwardly trans people hang regularly in the community, notably, VERY active community members and contributors/donators. Framework supporting far-right racists? - #367 by Senhara
Drew DeVault (a lolicon enjoyer and misogynist who believes that all teenager women should have IUDs until they’re 24 years old) is still engaging in defamation of vaxry based on old data that no longer applies.
Okay, so I’ve chatted with some of the admins for Hyprland’s community, they, Vaxry included, have seem to changed pretty positively. Vaxry himself has gotten personally involved in getting rid of transphobic members of the community as of late, which is really good… Overall, I think Hyprland and it’s community has grown recently. Time will tell whether that sticks true, but right now things are pretty positive! I don’t mind Framework financially supporting them now. Framework supporting far-right racists? - #629 by Senhara
People are talking about Framework on the Framework forums. I don’t know what else to tell you. Framework’s response here and future actions will influence whether I buy more Framework stuff, which given I have had a Framework 13 since they were available to order in my country was a certainty. I’m sure other people are in a similar position, on this, the Framework forum, where people are talking about Framework. It feels like you’re still classing people with concerns as a big blob of “activists” rather than “people who are existing or prospective customers expressing their concerns”. About Framework. On the Framework forums. Not the Cloudflare forums, not the Gnome forums, the Framework forums.
By that logic, if there’s a town of 56 people that’s wiped out by members of the surrounding towns and cities, that’s not a big deal because there were only 56 of them and there are hundreds of millions in the country
Those 350 million people weren’t all killed. Those 350 million people aren’t all openly trans. The usefulness of comparing to 56 to 350 million is therefore quite limited.
Being killed isn’t the only negative thing someone can experience. Again, by your argument, torture 100,000 people (an arbitrary number I picked, not related to any real figures) up to the limit of death, and 56 of them die? No big deal, most of them lived!
The next page clearly says that the likelihood of violence against trans people is far higher than that against cis people, and the third page says that 40% of trans youth attempt suicide, which is what actually matters, not raw numbers of deaths compared to total population.
And yes, I think bad driving is tolerated too much in many countries, and that should be tackled as well! You don’t have to do just one thing.
(I’m not at all commenting on the accuracy of the linked article, which I have no particular reason to doubt, just your logic and arguments being applied to it)
The main argument of those wanting to ruin the reputation of Omarchy (started 2025?) and DHH was that the project lead wanted them dead on a massive scale. That is entirely being disproven by their statistics.
This is strong wording that isn’t supported by anything, and you’re just ignoring the issues with your reasoning I pointed out. In addition to that, wanting people dead or to not exist is not the same as killing them. Murder is, in fact, illegal, and a barrier many people don’t want to cross.
(I have no idea if DHH is anti-trans. He is clearly at least supportive of far-right white nationalists, which is enough for me to know I don’t want anything to do with him and so don’t need to dig any further to find more reasons not to want to be near him.)
No issues. We have way more deaths from other causes. Infact it’s showing how good the legal system in US works for protecting people given the size of it’s population.
You’re still focusing on deaths and absolute numbers. You’re either not arguing in good faith, or you’re not getting why that’s not the point for so many reasons, some of which I went into and you’ve ignored. I’m done with interacting because you’re talking past me without engaging with anything I’m saying.
I believe I’ve made all the relevant points that can be made on this main topic. See previous posts for details but the summery is DHH is bad, we don’t want Framework to even indirectly support his kind of harmful views, @nrp responded they want to be all inclusive but didn’t address Framework’s official stance on hatred, racism or bigotry. This left us wondering if they actually do support his views.
It’s really that simple. I know it’s frustrating, but don’t let the bad people drag you down. Comments trying to point out other bad people, or argue subtle nuances of language, or that you should be doing something else are just the flailings of desperate individuals. I’m sure one of them will respond to this post with some retort, but it doesn’t matter.
Just keep doing your best to be a good person, and that includes questioning when something doesn’t seem right. “See something. Say something.” Don’t let hatred, racism, and bigotry go unchallenged.
That’s exactly what I’m doing: questioning what doesn’t seem right.
How do you think everyone who works with DHH feels about these attacks? What about the meaning of bad and drag down in this context when there’s no hard evidence to support the claims against him?
The examples from the Danish left wing Prime Minister aren’t just noise. They’re essential to understanding the open, frank nature of the society DHH comes from. When a Social Democrat PM says nearly identical things to DHH, maybe the issue isn’t that DHH is far right. These concerns cross the political spectrum. Also in US.
In the off-chance that you genuinely are trying to argue in good faith, I’ll elaborate this one time; I provided hypothetical situations to show why your argument is flawed by solely relying on the total number of deaths versus the population of the country, rather than making more apt comparisons and looking at other factors. You’re welcome to explain why you think the hypothetical situations are invalid, but “this thing that you said is hypothetical isn’t happening” isn’t an explanation. If you don’t understand that then, well, sorry, that’s not my problem and there’s no point even trying to debate you.
Or there are simply those of us who find you trying to stir the pot tiresome and want the thread to die. Go ahead, go through my posts in this thread and see if you think I’m virtue signaling.
Be silent if you have nothing constructive to say or do.
i quickly dug into this myself and as far as i can tell everything checks out, so i was wrong in my original post. thanks for pulling those quotes out of this thread! (i mean that genuinely)
i’ll check hyprland properly later but if all of this is true, i don’t mind hyprland getting funding.
the point i was trying to make in my original post is that there are people who are actively feeling threatened and rightfully so, which causes emotions to be amplified a lot more, which at least from my perspective is why people reacted so hard to this whole thing, myself included.
This is an interesting point to make for someone who had a third of his employees quit after he put in place a policy to effectively stop employees complaining about things they found problematic in the company.
Or it’s just an example of the anti-non-white-immigration sentiment I’ve noticed from certain Scandinavian countries over the course of a couple of decades. Just because someone who’s overall left wing has a problem with foreigners doesn’t mean that having a problem with foreigners is a left wing view.
This kind of argumentation can lead anything to absurdity. DHH has voiced far right thoughts containing the classic fascist narratives of a formerly great native people being poisoned by foreign threats and/or overrun by savages. Wikipedia’s notability guidelines don’t change that - that’s just your way to not engage with the substance of the criticism. DHH also referenced a march organized by someone Wikipedia says is far right as some sort of “baseline temperature check” - but then you’d probably say the link to too tenuous (even though he goes on to quote the guy and link to his socials). Or maybe the media that writes that Robinson is far-right that Wikipedia finds credible are actually also all biased. Who cares about anything, right?
You will always find a way to disregard information you don’t like and nothing could ever be done to sway you with arguments.
One would think there would be many better ways to talk about the official numbers in a way that isn’t “the natives are dying out and thus our cities are dying”. We can have a discussion about failed integration, racial disparities in policing more broadly, or the link to socioeconomic status.
Or, looking at the data, we could talk about the deafening silence of criminal behavior on men vs women. Or how White Brits are twfour times ice as likely as ethnic Chinese to commit crime. Or how we should all model our society based on Roma. At least we’d be looking at something that isn’t based on only on racist feelings.
In the context of this thread, “big tent” means “we are perfectly okay with Nazis, and Nazi adjacent ideologies, and don’t care if we finance projects that ultimately support and encourage said ideologies”
The day you don’t kick a Nazi out of your big tent, you don’t have a big tent anymore. You have a Nazi tent.