This has been discussed in other topics, under warranty you get a replacement, not an alternative. Price is not the issue.
It wouldn’t work to swap one faulty expansion type USB C for a USB A for the same reason, or a 12thGen i5 1240 for a faulty 11th Gen i7 1165 even though the i5 is cheaper.
Insisting is not a real thing
I don’t think the mod you suggest is going to work, if it does it would be the same issue again when the metal bends out of shape further.
Same design same flaw.
I cannot see why support refuse to replace the 3.3Kg hinges with the 4.0, they did the same for me which is infuriating and seems like an easy way to satisfy the customer at no additional cost. Problem being the issue will return no matter which hinge you use as the design will always fail IMO.
They are just metal bent around a pin, nothing is holding them closed but the metals own rigidity. To “tighten” this you would need to remove the pin then squeeze the housing which because it is not fixed will open up slowly.
Well then do it the other way,- ask for money back and order the heavier ones with the money?
The only problem here being the shipping costs … maybe we will get an update about that next week?
Yes that may well happen, although I think the issue is also that the ‘bearing’ becomes smooth.
I have thought of using linseed oil, in the ‘bearing’ which is a drying oil.
I tried using organic rapeseed oil on my chainsaw bar, as it is not much of an oil that dries, but after 6 months the chain became stuck under a 4.5HP petrol engine’s torque.
Anyway once warranty is over, if I have such a problem I will try a few ideas 
Yes that could work for the whole computer but in this case the computer is out of warranty. 
The new hinges should have come with their own 1 year warranty, one you would still be in. I’d escalate. I may not understand how warranty replacements work but that would be my understanding.
Edit: I’m incorrect. See below
As I suspected from the inconsistent force the pins are not actually cylindrical they have a flat side.
With the screen closed the flat side is facing the rear of the device, away from the user. My belief is that the hinge is formed around the pin while in this orientation (closed lid) and thus flexes when opened and closed. I think this is the reason the hinges get worse over time and I don’t see anyway the current design can avoid this.
For anyone curious what a good and user adjustable hinge might look like
Excellent point!
This is incorrect. You have until the end of the original warranty or 90 days after the replacement is delivered, whichever is longer.
Quoting from the Framework Computer Inc Limited Warranty
Any Product, part, or module repaired or replaced under this Warranty will continue to be covered by the Warranty for the greater of the remainder of the original Warranty period or (90) days following your receipt of the repaired or replacement Product, part, or module, unless a mandatory provision of your local law provides otherwise.
As Amoun pointed out, this is against Framework’s policies and procedures and will not accomplish anything. Support provides like-for-like replacements unless there is an inventory issue preventing them from doing so.
You have until the end of the original warranty or 90 days after the replacement is delivered, whichever is longer.
The defect involves premature mechanical wear. Even a defective hinge takes time to show this issue. What I’m understanding from this is that Framework has no confidence that its replacement parts will last for longer than 90 days.
Can we please not forget the assortment of other defects this laptop had? I’m appalled that this is a level of quality Framework considers acceptable, and that a $2200 laptop should have to have the hinges, touchpad, and bottom housing assembly replaced, as well as the webcam module reinstalled, only to STILL be unusuable as a laptop after just 15 months.
I think that is the case if the hinges are bought as a separate item, which these were not as they were replacements.
~ hence the 90 days is only an extra on top of the warranty, so that a warranty repair with extend the warranty by 90 days if the warranty claim coincides with the final valid warranty date.
Neither of the above are quite the same as being sent hinges to do a DIY ???
I received the replacement hinges 193 days ago
This post is not about debating what Framework’s policies are. Frankly I don’t care. This post is about the wide range of issues with the laptop I received, the lack of quality control indicated by two independent sets of defective hinges, a defective touchpad, an improperly installed webcam module, a module release button falling off, and Framework clearly not standing behind their product.
@Daniel_Power - while I understand that you are upset, and I agree that you ran into more issues than one would hope or expect, I do not agree with your assertion that Framework does not stand behind their product. It’s unfortunate that you had a bad experience, and hopefully Framework can look at what happened and work to improve. No person, product, or company is perfect. Hopefully your next experience is a better one.
Have a good day.
Yes my mistake I somehow aligned 90days with 6 months ???
I was pointing out that Framework’s policy in these cases seem to gain nothing but negativity from the users who are dealing with a defective product Framework have shipped to them.
Phrased differently I don’t understand what is gained by sticking to this policy. The use case of users who have had issues with weak hinges probably exposes the defect more than others and it just seems logical to offer that choice. I mean even if you buy the 4kg hinges with the 1kg variance you are not even guaranteed to get stiffer hinges than the originals, lets not forget with the cost of shipping they cost more than 2x the listed price. Personally I feel with the design of the hinge it is inevitable they will get loose with use.
Here it is basically stated if you want a laptop hinge that behaves like a portable devices hinge should we have this option. OK great so replace my defective hinges with these please. No you have to buy them. Why? Because policy.
Learning about the 90 day/rest of your existing warranty on replacement parts is disappointingly standard for a company aspiring to change the electronics industry. I think it’s hard to argue that if a product fails after the 90 days and within a few years it was fit to begin with and should not have been issued as replacement.
I too have had a number of issues with my Framework and this has just reminded me of all of that including the deceptive marketing on 60W CPU performance which incredibly still exists! I’m talking about claims of 60W boost which in reality CS confirmed:
The 60W PL2 post that you refer to above is specific to our 12th Generation Intel Core processors, we do not promise or expect a 60W boost to be possible on the 11th Generation Intel Core processors, these can vary typically from 45-55W
In what way did they stand behind their product? They replaced one defective set of hinges with another defective set of hinges, which lasted just barely long enough to get me out of the warranty period.
There will not be a next experience. I was an avid fan of Framework from the moment I heard of them. But I just spent over $2000 on the worst laptop I’ve ever owned, and after just a year, despite several part replacements, it’s not usable as a laptop.
If I had bought a Thinkpad, it would be less repairable. But at least I can expect it to function for several years. Is a repairable laptop really more environmentally friendly if you need to ship parts twice a year just to keep it running?
Hi @Daniel_Power - I don’t dispute that you ran into a lot of issues, more than anyone would want to. It’s understandable to be frustrated and disappointed. I do think that is affecting how you are viewing things. After all, it’s just a tool, not worth getting too high or too low over.
I do disagree with your assertion that the company does not stand behind its product. In your case they did do so across multiple issues, although ultimately things wound up not to your satisfaction. As the 3.3kg hinges are shipped by default, there are a lot of them out there, and time will tell if the failure rate increases with age.
Unless I am missing something, the primary issue that you’re currently experiencing is hinges that once again are loose. Due to this you are choosing to write off the machine, which no one can blame you for given your ordeals. However, you do have another choice available to you: to purchase the 4kg hinges which might be more to your liking. Yes, that would be paying for a part that you believe ought to be covered under warranty, but the cost relative to the cost of the machine is small. You are free to choose not to do so, but that seems like a waste of a machine that, although not without faults, in my opinion is far from the worst machine that I have ever owned.
Please understand that I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong for feeling as you do. I do hope that your next experience, with whatever company, is a good one.
Be well, and have a good day.
I’ve though about this part in particular. I have had 4 mainboards sent out, an input cover, replacement hinges and possibly a new battery soon (88% capacity with a reported 110 cycles!) and I know you and I are not alone…
This is not an issue of preference. I would ask that you watch the video recordings in my original post, where I demonstrate that the hinges are not just looser than my preference. Both sets of hinges I received could not physically hold the screen in place, while completely stationary on a table.
That’s why it’s so absurd to me that customer support suggest that I buy the 4kg hinge as the solution to my problem. Because it’s essentially an admission from them that the 3.3kg hinge does not meet the basic requirement of holding the screen in place.
I don’t dispute that the hinges that you have are faulty, so you’re right, and I should have worded that better. The rest of the points stand.
I guess if there are a bunch of failures then that will be the time to see if they standing behind their product.
