FW 12, Initial Thoughts

I wonder if refresh rate is a personal sensitivity thing. Certainly I can notice the difference between 60 and 120, but I’m not bothered by 60. I can even use the FW12 side by side with a 120hz external monitor and not be terribly troubled.

One anecdotal thing-- I previously had an FW13 and had a pretty terrible touchpad experience under Linux (Fedora specifically). Lots of false positives while typing, even though the touchpad should have been disabled while typing. Certainly a driver problem since the Windows experience was fine. I never sat down to figure out if whatever was up was fixable; maybe it was. Either way, no such problems in the FW12 on Bazzite. Great experience out of the mylar touchpad.

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I think it depends on what I’m using it for. Like, just normal web browsing and other productivity tasks are fine. I use a 60hz monitor for my WFH office setup. Video playback and gaming is where I can tell the most difference.

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Thank you for this, very helpful

A matte screen always looses some contrast and sharpness compared to the same screen with no matte coating.

My initial thoughts on my FW 12, is that is a very good design. I like the feel of the keyboard and I love the trackpad feel. The glass screen is excellent and lends to the durable construction of the unit as a whole.

I really think that a premium or pro version of this model would make a lot of sense. You know a SKU where the educational constraints are removed and you can get a maxed out version.

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OK, so I have a problem on my screen angle sensor, which Support are investigating. When I set GIMP to tilt mode, it switches back to pressure mode and leaves an error message that the screen angle sensor is unreliable. So I’m guessing I’m not getting tilt for that reason.

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A little bit side by side comparison for those who are interested. Here is FW12 vs Thinkpad T490 (T14)

The keyboard is slightly smaller then T490. Height in open and closed condition is same. Screen height is almost identical.





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By the way I don’t like how bright the power button blinks. This white light is too bright for night. I like the small thinkpad red dot, less intense and almost invisible if you don’t pay attentio to it.

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Config option in the BIOS :wink:

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Is this what your niece’s pen looked like? This is the type of Surface Pen I have, I’m wondering if hers is the same model or not


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I thought it would be relatively smaller than this somehow

Here is another view.

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It’s actually my pen, which is formerly my wife’s from a Surface 4 Pro. It’s a very slightly different model, but I don’t believe the surface pens changed in a way which made them incompatible, so would expect the same results.

My niece uses a Wacom Intuos 4 from like 2009. She’s used like a nib every 2 years on it. The new ones have a paper-like surface which act like sandpaper, and her friends go through like a nib a week. They got the old Wacom 4 pretty much spot on in terms of function.

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Good to know you’re getting good results on it! I’m getting a paper-like screen protector for my FW12, so I’m not sure how my pen will react to that (the plastic casing around the nib is chipped anyways so it might be even less stable). I won’t be drawing, just handwriting, so if my pen works fine then great. If not I might buy the Framework pen once it’s out. I wonder what her friends’ tips are made of, if they’re rubbery like the Surface Pen? I never considered paper-like screens wearing down nibs until I saw people on here posting about it, so I’m just waiting to see what the best optimization is

Can anyone try how the display performes in sunlight?

I strongly suspect the surface pen will work fine. The material is a slightly rubbery plastic. It’s just that the textured surface wears them down. Wacom are happy to sell you more for more money.

One of those things which is a problem if you’re doing 40-60 hours a week drawing, less so for occational handwriting

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Video review coming soon…

And, it’s up.

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Hey @BigT, new yt subscriber here :wink:

Great job on the video, and thanks a lot for all of the testing you’ve done and reported here and in other threads, it’s really appreciated!

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Here you are.

I would say that in white background it is possible to use for short time. In the dark, it would be a chalange, but with no direct light I think it is fine.


P.s. Traces of fingers became visible instantly on the screen and it looks gross.

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Thanks a lot. Seems as if it is not a beach boy… :face_with_diagonal_mouth:
Anti-reflection could be better I would think

Nice.

Would have been nice to see the screen wobble test against the the HP as well.

There seems to be a humanly noticeable pen / stylus input lag…

Also, me being a bit OCD, the ‘pg’ text alignment within the arrow up / down key cap is different from that of the FL13. With FL13, the ‘pg’ text alignment is more to the right, whereas on the FL12, the ‘pg’ is placed closer to the arrows.

Love the translucent dark grey expansion card look.

The light gaming review section is great. Seeing what it looks like from the physical world, instead of screen recording. Is there some minor ghosting on the panel, or is that just recording / playback artifact?

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