It’s optional tho? I mean if you already have a USB C cable capable of the necessary charging speed then it would be entirely superfluous to buy another. $50 for a power cord isn’t an unreasonable price either for a GaN charger and TB4 cord either…
Like I get it, it feels like Apple pulling the charger out of the box for “environmental reasons” and then charging $20 for it. It doesn’t feel great when others include it in the price but
is a bit harsh and melodramatic
Joined the forum just to drop truth bombs on all the sheeple. 
(But in all seriousness, IMO it’s not that they charge extra for a power cord - rather they don’t charge you for one if you don’t want/need another USB-C charger, which seems like a good thing to me.)
I think if some folks here got to design their ‘dream laptop’ it would be the laptop equivalent of “The Homer”. 
It would be:
In all seriousness, I’m pretty satisfied with mine. It’s not perfect, and honestly a Thinkpad T14 probably would have been a better buy for me at the time, but it’s good enough, and the tradeoffs are worth it if the company takes off and starts a trend industrywide.
This goal is incredibly unfeasible. I’m uncertain about the firmware side of things, but LPDDR solder joints are incredibly small and packed together, requiring many years of experience with soldering and board level repairs before even thinking about attempting removal of an LPDDR chip, only being consistently done by machines. It’s easy to ruin it, and no user who wants to upgrade their memory should have to think about soldering new modules on with a format that’s incredibly easy to fuck up.
See: eGPU
So I see this computer and research and research and , really like the product and the spiel. But for the luv of Buddha, you charge for a power cord?
No, you pay less if you don’t want the charger.
wooosh.
What is this, Reddit?
nah chief, @Senhara has exactly the right concept. If Framework wanted to go with LPDDR then they would have. They choose not to for repairability reasons. I’ll grant that there are performance losses associated with eGPU vs a dGPU but if you want one that is replaceable/upgradable…that would be the eGPU.
You keep harping on this and not accepting the response that everyone gives you. If you want something with everything included, get the pre-built Framework laptop. If you want the freedom to pick and choose what you need, go with DIY…that includes the power cable and charger.
I may have been sleepy yesterday when I wrote that, so I may have missed the joke, but I’ve seen plenty of people say stuff like that seriously so I wanted to correct misinformation.
I wasn’t criticizing you, I was incredulous that someone would actually write “woosh” to anything on this forum. Like as a reference to r/woosh on reddit.
Yeah I understand, I just only now recognized I missed a joke ^^;
We should probably get back on topic
No, I mean my reply was a joke in that all of the points I made were completely nonsensical and physically impossible. It was in reply to a comment that following all the suggestions in the forum would result in The Homer - such as a thin & light 17" laptop with a DGPU and a soldering kit to remove LPDDR chips.
2 things:
Battery life!
From what I’ve read and heard from several sources (reddit, forums, youtube, …) it’s not that good.
For the i7-1280P I would expect at least 3-4h under heavy load (= 2-3 VMs running + MS Office stuff), but everything I’ve found tells me I could be lucky if I get 3h under heavy load.
If I need new/spare parts … € 30,-- for shipping???
This is really insane, for some parts this would mean 50% of the cost of an order is shipping only …
Tbf, Framework is still small, I expect as they scale up they will be able to negotiate volume discounts with couriers as Amazon and others do. Those companies eat the cost and Framework can’t
I know, but € 30,— still looks a bit high to me. Especially if I look at the extension cards, some are € 10,—, if I only need one more …
€ 10,— to € 15,— would be something I could live with for small parts.
€ 30,— for parts like the display or the mainboard is fine, because those parts need a better packaging and they are bigger.
So let me be more specific, € 30,— for shipping small parts is expensive in my mind.
Maybe we should not take cheap shipping for granted. It’s not shipped only across the street. It is shipped from Taiwan.
Either a company can reduce shipping costs by excessive amounts or it just hides the cost in product price.
To be honest I do not understand why so many things must be cheap these days.
With this mindset there won’t be much sustainability. I think the more expensive something is you more value it. The more you value something the more you’re eager to repair and care for.
Well, if I don’t really really really need it I will not order a part for a few €uros and pay three times the amount for shipping.
This is a stopper for me, because it doesn’t matter if you pay 40€ for a tiny part or 10€ plus 30€ for shipping. It’s the same, too much for such a small simple electronic part. Then it doesn’t really matter how easy it is to repair or swap parts.
One card module weighs 43grams in the postage wrap.