Pantherlake in general supports 9600, the Framework laptops support less, probably because the memory isn’t soldered.
Is anyone able to say what the outer layer of the new display will be made of? A touchscreen would be great, but feels less ideal if it isn’t protected by glass or at least a harder plastic.
Just adding your blog to my rss reader, I wrote about my framework 13 too!
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Youtube and webb-browsing is not light for me, maybe there is no hardware acceleration?
Also I have minimized the amount of background processes.
And I have of course up to date drivers.
What does it mean by bad battery life? Quantify it with numbers.
If you are getting say 5, with a 60WHr that’s 11W system power use. You should get power monitoring application downloaded and see how your system fares. Linux is in general worse than Windows, unless you get really good support(like SteamOS and Steam Deck) then it can be better.
Sometimes you might need to resort even changing the distro. I tried Bazzite on my system with GTX 1080, and I erased it because the GPU doesn’t idle(20W while on Windows it’s at 10-11W). On Ubuntu it does and gets to same idle as Windows. So in my case, it wasn’t idling because the drivers weren’t supporting it properly.
On Idle when it’s doing nothing that AMD platform with the screen set at about 30% should be 3-4W at the system level. Framework laptops aren’t set up to be the best battery life but it shouldn’t be much higher.
How is your screen brightness? Max screen brightness may raise that 3-4W to 7W by itself, then if web browsing/playback adds a few W on top of that, it would explain the poor battery life.
Only the business versions have vPro. The client versions of Pantherlake doesn’t have vPro. You can see that on Intel page.
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Arch Linux, Hyprland, with basically only Firefox open, no video playing or yt-tabs, lowest possible screen brightness. Like 5 tabs in Firefox, Google Slides and docs.
7.2-9.2 W power consumption reported by powertop. Estimated 35 min at 10 percent. Of course I always have power-saver enabled, I have tried tuned, power-profiles-daemon, powertop --auto-tune. Bluetooth disabled.
Normally I would probably have more tabs and some other programs opened.
I have AMD graphics drivers etc, and since it is Arch the Kernel should be new with better driver support. For the expansion cards I have one HDMI, one usb-c, 2 usb-a. I have a Kingston nv2 nvme ssd. I have a single ram stick 32 gig.
The lowest I have seen it go is 6.7 W.
I see between 9W and 15W with regular usage on Fedora TLP and tuned, wifi only, i get between 4-5 hours on my 12th gen i5 1240p. I’m been watching PowerTOP like a hawk to see what efficiencies I could get. It sounds like the new mainboard will be a huge improvement, but with the pricing for LPCAMM2, it’ll be a few years before I upgrade.
I just ran powertop on my AMD framework with two sticks of 32gb RAM (64gb total), running Arch Linux + Hyperland, with 20 tabs open in Firefox and the lowest screen brightness on the 2.8k display. I got down to 4.8watts consistent after a minute or so to calibrate. Before adding the second stick of RAM I’d see closer to 4.0-4.2.
I noticed you mentioned trying PPD and tuned- I haven’t tried the latter, but found PPD gave me terrible results. I ended up using tlp with the following config (and tlp-pd for on-the-fly changes):
TLP_DEFAULT_MODE=AC
PLATFORM_PROFILE_ON_AC=performance
PLATFORM_PROFILE_ON_BAT=low-power
CPU_DRIVER_OPMODE_ON_AC=active
CPU_DRIVER_OPMODE_ON_BAT=active
CPU_SCALING_GOVERNOR_ON_AC=performance
CPU_SCALING_GOVERNOR_ON_BAT=powersave
CPU_ENERGY_PERF_POLICY_ON_AC=balance_performance
CPU_ENERGY_PERF_POLICY_ON_BAT=balance_power
CPU_BOOST_ON_AC=1
CPU_BOOST_ON_BAT=0
CPU_HWP_DYN_BOOST_ON_AC=1
CPU_HWP_DYN_BOOST_ON_BAT=0
NMI_WATCHDOG=0
DISK_DEVICES="nvme-WD_BLACK_SN850X_1000GB_############"
AHCI_RUNTIME_PM_ON_AC=on
AHCI_RUNTIME_PM_ON_BAT=auto
RADEON_DPM_STATE_ON_AC=performance
RADEON_DPM_STATE_ON_BAT=battery
WIFI_PWR_ON_AC=off
WIFI_PWR_ON_BAT=on
PCIE_ASPM_ON_AC=default
PCIE_ASPM_ON_BAT=powersupersave
USB_EXCLUDE_PHONE=1
These were built in part based on recommendations from the AMD rep posting what it would take to recreate what they were looking for in PPD, and part just playing around until my system was behaving how I wanted. Hopefully it helps!
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o0o I actually remember reading the 839 days one while I was looking for first-hand experiences waiting for mine to arrive.
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TLP recommends setting the scaling governor as powersave at all times for modern processors. If you want performance, set CPU_SCALING_GOVERNOR_ON_AC=powersave and CPU_ENERGY_PERF_POLICY_ON_AC=performance.
I also struggled with the palm rejection in Debian/Ubuntu-based ZORIN OS. No idea, whether this is caused by firmware or OS.
Struggled, past tense, because meanwhile I wrote a bash script to deactivate the touchpad entirely: The script permanently maps F9 (Super+P) to toggle the touchpad on/off. A quick press on F9 helps me typing longer text without accidentally highlighting sections with my palm, and deleting the text on my next keystroke. Another press on F9 re-enables the touchpad to operate the pointer.
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Great work on keeping the backwards and forwards compatibility, whilst making meaningful improvements. Just got my pre-order in.
Is there any plan to offer the two-colour keyboards in anything other than US ANSI layout? I’d love a UK ISO layout in the graphite and grey for example!
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Having at least one ISO keyboard option with the black/grey/orange design would be great. For me personally it does not matter what letters are printed on the keys, as long as they physically are there. Just digged through old forum posts with polls and german seems to be the second-most chosen option regarding keyboard (after ANSI US english).
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Is there a plan to feature the Japanese layout as blank keys?
I bet those would sell great in the alternative keyboard layout community, as we don’t care about the keys, and the japanese layout have more thumb keys, allowing us to do crazy things with it.
Or perhaps, is it possible to customize one’s order? It would be neat.
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Where is this stated? I could not find it in the docs: Processor — TLP 1.10.0 documentation
Haven’t seen the answer as I’ve looked around so… Does the Thunderbolt 4 ports support USB 3.2 2x2 20 Gbps? I’m pretty sure the WisdPi 10G Ethernet Expansion Card is a USB 3.2 2x2 interface as they are selling the non-expansion version here: USB 3.2 10Gb Ethernet Adapter RTL8159 – WisdPi
Hi guys, I have to say that I am really impressed what I have seen so far on Youtube. I have been following the story for a while sine I am a big fan of Linus Tech tips. I have to say I have been considering a Framework as my main driver for a while, and now I am perhaps closer than ever. One thing that so far is a sticking point is the lack of a 5G modem. I can see from the post that I am not alone.
Now you can do a dongle but nobody likes a dongle. And if you look at laptops that actually have a 5G modem then you find out that they usually have an extra set of antennas in the screen. Is it possible to place a 5G antenna behind the screen as you do with the Wifi antenna? And is there room to route the cable to one of the thunderbolt ports? I assume that you would need to hack it a bit an build in the modem into one of the 5G ports?
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If you want NSA safe privacy, then I recommend you not to use a USA made product, all (!!) US hardware vendors build in hardware backdoors into their products. I also recommend you not to use Linux or any other major operating system.
I am not saying this to try to discourage you from buying this computer, and i can note that Framework is the ONLY solution where you have a sporting chance to reach this level security, but it will NOT be on a US made chip, that is a RISCV motherboard out there (and possibly a ARM board), and you have to start writing your own OS.
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I am interested in this too; the Intel’s charge longevity is tempting, but I am trying to stick to an Intel boycott. I should think that if AMD’s battery life was acceptable in the 50W/Hr battery of the non-Pro, another 40% of capacity should make it very good indeed.
For reference, I get around five hours from my MacBook Pro (2021), and I’ve never had a device last 20 hours on a single charge… probably not 10 either!
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