The Framework team just answered this for me.
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Ah, thatās exactly it. I didnāt even notice that until I pressed on it just now. Extremally minor thing. A good fix for new builds, but not work the cost/hassle of replacing it, at least to me.
Now, I just wish they would make the hinges strongerā¦
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Is it correct to interpret that as the optimizations made (for standby) isnāt substantial?
(I think Iāve reached max replies per day as a new user, so responding here instead)
I think the mentality is shifting in the science and manufacturing industry in this regard. Those who create the material / good has some degree of responsibility to participate in the larger recycling / repurpose / up-purpose cycle. At the moment, Framework components / parts is only on the output path.
Donāt think itās unreasonable for Framework to, maybe, partner up with a combination of 3rd party organizations to at least repurpose the hardware as fully usable systems (say, for schools). Those loose parts (boards, cover, fansā¦etc) could be aggregated / collected and re-assemble for extended usable systemā¦full systems.
i.e. Itās not abnormal that consumers require various channels to redirect their wastesā¦like any recycling program in your cities. Consumers are not the recycling facilities.
The āend of lifeā handling is missing here. (end of life for one userās relationship with the hardware, and the end of life of the hardware)
Plastic recycling, as an example (as the material itself is rather long lasting):
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Seems like good luck to me. Now you have the option of buying what you previously wanted for cheaper or something better.
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Nice work! Quite happy where I am at the moment performance wise. Iāll maybe look this time next year and pick up a 12th gen board someone is offloadingā¦
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If you decide not to cancel and upgrade, you should contact support and ask if they can refund part of the price you paid. Now that the 12th Gen board has been released, the 11th Gen boards are cheaper, and support has refunded the price difference to people who received their order within (I think) 30 days prior to the new launch.
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Congrats on the launch! Iām incredibly impressed with the upgrade kits. Itās the complete opposite of planned obsolescence! I was awestruck when I saw it.
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Can you please elaborate on these alternatives? For me the hinges are also not stiff enough.
I dont have the 11th gen hardware to have some kind of baseline of its capabilities on my head. I have no idea of what kind games (& at what fidelity) I could play with this hardware.
As a linux person I wish Framework offered a keyboard without the lame windows logo on the Super button.
I pre-ordered the new DIY, 12th gen version last night. This will be my first framework device. Sadly I didnt pre-order it in time to make it with Batch 1 that ships in July. Really looking forward to my new laptop in August.
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Hereās a detailed review with benchmarks of the 11th gen Iris Xe - the 12th gen will be identical, just a little faster for the Core i7s.
In short, this integrated graphics is much better than it used to be and you can play games on it. Itās no dedicated GPU, of course, and make sure you have dual-channel memory (two matched sticks).
True, I shouldnāt upgrade now then. Looking back, maybe I shouldnāt have supported Framework as early as an early adopter.
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Iām pretty disappointed that you came out with a new Intel mainboard before providing an AMD one. At this point Iām pretty close to selling off my framework and buying a replacement from another vendor. Intel sucks at graphics and battery life, two things that are important for me. Will we get an AMD edition soon?
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I understand your frustration but there are reasons for this and good ones too. The easiest explanation is that Intel is a much larger company and is able to provide much more engineering support than AMD when designing new boards so if you only have the money to design one new board that means Intel
Ryzen 6000 is also DDR5 only, so to please possible new customers with new AMD products, they would invariably annoy some established customers with DDR4 boards that want to upgrade and re-use old parts(in-line with Frameworkās established design principles)
DDR5 is also VERY expensive at the moment so that would also raise the price of their laptops, something no business wants to do and Framework being small is much less capable of absorbing cost increases like that
TBH, I wasnāt expecting Alder Lake for at least another 2 months (which wouldāve annoyed me) so I would expect Ryzen boards to pop up in 6 months or so, a year at most
I understand your frustration, I felt like I was waiting forever for Alder Lake but until Framework gets bigger, there will always be a delay between the bigger players and Framework
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e-sports games like CS:GO, Overwatch, Dota 2, etc you can expect to play at 1080p at Medium or even High settings. The panel is limited to 60hz anyways so target that frame rate, slower paced games like Oxygen Not Included or Civilization you can crank the settings up because the frame rate dips wonāt be noticeable
With FSR 2.0 launching, you can expect to utilize that to increase frame rates even more. Itās an iGPU, keep your expectations in check and youāll be pleasantly surprised, I can truthfully say that the games I expected to run on an older iGPU ran excellently (Democracy 4, FTL, Oxygen Not Included)
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Just saw a review from Dave2D on the new Asus Flow X16 ā¦looks really good.
Ryzen 6900HS, 2-in-1, touch & pen input support, 2 DDR5 DIMM slots, 2 NVMe slots, dGPU, 90Wh battery, QHD 16:10 100% DCI-P3 165Hz peak 1,100 nits mini LED panelā¦ It checks a lot of boxes.
ā¦and it doesnāt look gamery at all.
@Ross said: āAs a linux person I wish Framework offered a keyboard without the lame windows logo on the Super buttonā
I guess it wouldnāt hurt to print their own Framework symbol instead of the Windows symbol in the keyboard. I would say it is something to consider (and quite simple to change - for future iterations of the keyboard only).
What we donāt know is if somebody associated with the company can confirm or deny IF this possibility is concrete or not.
@rn1234 said: āIntel sucks at graphics and battery lifeā
Come onā¦ Itās not quite like thatā¦ Youāre being too strictā¦ RDN2 is indeed much better than Iris Xe, but the later is no slouch eitherā¦ In terms of battery life, 11th gen Intel is really awesome (on the U series) and 12th gen has still the need to prove itself, but with more optimizations on Win11 and Linux, it is not hard to say that it will probably get there. Besides that, in terms of market, AMD 6000 U series is so rare, almost impossible to get. The only thing lacking on 11th gen Intel was multicore performance; and 12th gen is coming through to remedy exactly that.
@GhostLegion āā¦until Framework gets bigger, there will always be a delay between the bigger players and Framework.ā
Very wise words. I fully agree with you. It is hard to contain our expectations sometimes, but in the specific case of Framework, it is the right thing to doā¦ and, so far, they have delivered big time. I think we can expect them to continue on this path; patience is the name of the game here.
@A_Fan said: āJust saw a review from Dave2D on the new Asus Flow X16...ā
Well, I donāt want to be too harsh here (sorry), but in all honesty, if any of us are willing to "jump category" there is really a myriad of options out there.
What Framework offers that is quite Unique is really whatās hard (almost impossible) to find on other laptops:
- some of the best quality reliable components on āthin and lightā laptops available on the market;
- simple (and relatively affordable) upgrade path;
- easily available and very reasonably priced spare parts for ALL components;
- concrete and simple possibility of reuse of old MB/Processor combo;
What we expect in this new 12th gen. Intel P series is that besides all that, it now will also offer:
- a very very good performance (multicore, on heavy loads)
Just as an example, Asus G14 is one of the best machines I ever seen, but it does not give you many of the things on the list up there and it comes with a horrible MediaTek WiFi card, soldered RAM on one slot (not upgradable or even exchangeable if it gets some defect), no choice of storage size, brand, speed, generation, etc, an incredibly expensive and heavy power brick, a somewhat incomplete keyboard layout, etc.
It is easy to see that even the best of the best machines have some problemsā¦
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Can I suggest to also put a picture of the front of the cover here: Framework | Top Cover (CNC) ?
The old top cover had such a picture and I think it helps quite a bit to see, what you are dealing with. (I.e. is there even a cog on the front?)
Thank you!
I guess that is my KDE precondition showing ;3
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