Well ok, or you could just write “Come on buddy you can make it. Just wait a little longer, give a little more patience, they are doing the best they can” 
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To those of you frustrated at Framework not being available in your country. Don’t worry.
Maybe waiting longer will pay off big-time.
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Many do not want or need auto-update bloatware loaded on their system 
To throw myself into a month-old discussion: IMO most of these other points are beyond-nitpicky, the build quality on the framework is great for it’s price range. I understand from your previous comments that your machine is super-kitted out - which bumps you up a few laptop price-range brackets - but for most the framework cost about ~$1k. The only point I’d really give you is #2 about the speakers, which don’t really rattle the chassis on my machine but they aren’t amazing. Any of the other points either do not apply to my machine, or they are complete non-issues unless I one day decide to attack my laptop with precision calipers.
As for “who the upgrades are for”, this is how I see it: there is absolutely no need to upgrade from 11th to 12th gen. It makes sense that framework is offering 12th gen, so they may as well also offer the upgrade option. You need these kits available anyways in case someone needs a replacement mainboard. However, in a few years when there are multiple generations of hardware improvements, it might make sense for more people to upgrade their mainboard from 11th to (?)th-gen Intel or AMD.
Anyone who is going to upgrade their mainboard every year is in the 5% who can burn that kind of money. Most of those boards are going in a landfill - and while that’s better than a whole machine going in the landfill - it’s still quite a waste unless you can find something cool to do with the old board.
Nitpicking, has a somewhat overlap with presentation, attention to details and perceived quality (not always functional benefit, or has diminishing benefit return). It’s all around us, particularly in the premium / luxury market. “Nitpicking” is not exclusive to those markets / products. The degree of attention paid to the overall product during design, manufacturing, packaging, shipping, delivery…everything step along the way, has a price, and has a perception value associated to the product as a whole.
Examples:
Stitching uniformity:
Presentation, what’s the nutrition value there…not much. But it’s a perceived quality thing:
Check out this channel for real examples of quality, attention to detail, repurpose, remade:
It’s about having the ‘option’ of not having to check the forum / find the discussion thread. Just like right to repair is also about having options.
Just noticed something about the 12th gen page… Is it 2-year (screenshot) or 1-year (bottom of that page) warranty:
That’s my point. I’ve circled “/ca/en/”…and both 2-year and 1-year appear on the SAME page.
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Man it’s been what, 9-10 months since I first caught wind of the framework laptop, hundreds of updates and blog posts, a new generation model and I still after all this time cannot get my hands on one. Might as well just buy something else at this point
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@Aurelio Using a Framework Symbol is a great idea! Even if it just said “SUPER” or a Superman S logo instead of the lame Windows icon would be a huge improvement.
@anon81945988 Yes I understand that is why. I find it gross to have to have a branded Windows logo when I am using Linux. Most OEMs saying yes to having a Windows logo on their keyboard is part of the reason why I choose to not support those businesses with my money.
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That’s just silly imo. Why should Framework charge more for their product when they don’t have to? I promise for every customer that cares as you do and would appreciate the super key being generic, there would be 10 wondering why the enormous upcharge on Windows licenses. Besides, this company lends itself to modding, you aren’t forced to use that keyboard if you are that opposed. You could do as @CJ_Elevated did and build a custom housing that holds the Framework within a mechanical keyboard. Or jerry-rig your own keyboard (somehow) that fits within the chassis if you really want to spend the time and money doing so. With drop-in motherboard upgrades, that effort wouldn’t even be wasted moving to a new platform.
Even better you could just order the blank keyboard then print on it.
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Yep, that’s 
the way to do it.
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I completely agree that they are essential, and I’ve been sure to monitor the new bios versions and update when I know they’re stable! But I don’t need it to auto-update for me. I appreciate knowing that my current system works, and that it won’t suddenly change without my knowledge. When Windows took on that attitude it caused huge problems, I can’t gamble with that on a machine where I do all my work.
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This made me chuckle, thanks ;D. I agree that presentation matters, I’m just not convinced any of those points seriously impacted the quality of presentation. Though I suppose some will disagree.
Agreed, but I don’t think it should be there by default. It doesn’t take all that long to find the bios update thread 
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The option to choose if any individual user wants a ‘bloatware’ to check / notify for BIOS / drivers updates needs to be available as a separate binary download / installation. This doesn’t exist today. Convenience and choices come under the “quality of life enhancement”. A demonstration of the overall quality of a product or service, and the thoughtfulness that went fulfilling it.
In part, it can be seen as a polish / maturity thing.
Right now, there’s no option / choice other than “You must check the forum”.
Similar to the reason why we have 4 user-swappable expansion cards: Removing the “You must have an HDMI port”…or “You must have a USB-A port”… Instead, it’s providing an option of “You can have this OR that”.
Or, take the SN850 firmware update for example. “You must update the firmware via Windows”…not cool.
The ability to recognise there needs to be different options made available equally for different people is meant to be a strength in design decision making.
For now though, I guess sales figures are more important to a startup, any startup.
Question: Has Framework looked into the voltage situation of the USB-C ports? And can we expect this resolved in the 12th gen boards (if it’s at all a known issue)?
Devices on USB-C Card disconnecting - Framework Laptop - Framework Community
USB Software Defined Radio Errors - Community Support - Framework Community
…and nrp & team was still looking into this:
1TB expansion card disconnects randomly - Community Support - Framework Community
and possibly this as well:
Found a USB device that won’t work, what feedback do you folks need? - Framework Laptop - Framework Community
All in all, there appears to be some kinks to be ironed out…wherever that lies.
Not clear if those kinks exist on the 12th gen board, or not. Or maybe it’s only specific to 11th gen boards.
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Concerning battery life, the XPS 13 has the same 55Wh.
With a moderate usag and an OLED display they get 5H to 6H45 batterie with a TDP of 20W.
Without an OLED display eventually framework laptop will get 4H to 5H45 ???
Will it possible to go down to ~15W TDP when on battery like U series, because 4H is very limited. (I get 5H with 2018 thinkpad E590 45wh)
Would it be possible to shutdown some P cores to have only two active like on the 15W U series ???
Bottom line I want to be on the move for the day and be sure I can count on my laptop for websurfing and video for the day;) 5H is what I have on my current laptop and its the spor where you have to think about it… If I work 4H at a café I have to find a plug… getting to 6-7H is the sweet spot.
Yes, it should be in BIOS.
Also you should be able to set artificial power limits in Throttlestop!
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Do you mean you already have this kind of option in the bios of 11th gen framework ?
Concerning throtlestop I remember play in ng with it back in the day with not much success. Was more fun playing trying to undervolt the CPU with intel stuf.
Now on linux.
I suppose tuning power consumption this new tech intel 12th gen will take quite some efforts and updates to bios and linux kernel
Yup, we can disable cores (not specific ones though), as well as disable turbo and Hyper-Threading etc in bios.
Throttlestop has a lot of options that don’t work with most CPUs these days, but Power Limits are still useful!
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