Introducing the new Framework Laptop 16 with NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5070

We made a lot of major product announcements throughout the year, and we have one more big one for you today. We’re excited to announce the new Framework Laptop 16, now with AMD Ryzen™ AI 300 Series processors and a graphics upgrade to NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5070 Laptop GPU! Pre-orders are open now starting at $1,499 USD, with first shipments this November. We first introduced Framework Laptop 16 in 2023 as a high-performance, desktop-replacement 16” laptop that carried in not only our usual repairability and upgradeability, but two bold new systems: fully customizable input and generational upgradeability of graphics. On the latter, especially since so many other laptop brands have failed at it, we knew that the only way we could prove upgradeability is by actually delivering an upgrade. We’ve spent the last two years working with the teams at AMD, NVIDIA, and Compal to not only make a new NVIDIA-powered Graphics Module, but also make it fully backwards compatible with the original Framework Laptop 16. That means any current owner can pick up the new module and get the latest generation of graphics!

This is a huge leap in performance and capability. The GeForce RTX 5070 Laptop GPU brings NVIDIA’s latest Blackwell architecture with 8GB of GDDR7 and delivers a 30-40% increase in gaming framerates over our original Radeon RX 7700S Graphics Module. We made a couple of other improvements too. The GeForce RTX 5070 Laptop GPU now enables display output and power input over the rear USB-C port. We also revamped the thermal system, switching to Honeywell phase change thermal interface material and reoptimizing the fan blade geometry and controller IC for reduced noise while supporting 100W sustained TGP. The discrete GPU in the Graphics Module can send a display signal directly to the internal laptop display through a mux on the Mainboard, and we’ve updated our 165Hz 2560x1600 panel to support NVIDIA G-SYNC®. We’re also keeping the Radeon RX 7700S Graphics Module available as a configuration option with the updated thermal system for all of you who may prefer AMD offerings, especially for the maturity of their open-source Linux drivers.

Going into the rest of the updates on Framework Laptop 16, we now offer the latest generation Ryzen™ AI 300 Series processors in 8-core AMD Ryzen™ AI 7 350 and 12-core AMD Ryzen™ AI 9 HX 370 options, both running at 45W sustained TDP. Both have highly capable integrated graphics if you’d like to use your Framework Laptop 16 with the Expansion Bay Shell instead of a Graphics Module. We’ve also updated the Mainboard design to support four simultaneous display outputs over the rear four Expansion Card slots. We of course kept memory and storage upgradeability, with two slots of DDR5-5600 supporting up to 96GB and two M.2 slots for up to 10TB.

To support all of this combined GPU, CPU, and system performance, we’re excited to announce our new default power adapter for Framework Laptop 16: an ultra-high-power-density compact 240W USB-C adapter supporting the USB-PD 3.1 spec. We were the first laptop maker to ship a USB-C 180W adapter with the original Framework Laptop 16, and somehow nearly two years later, we may be the first to ship with 240W too! This added power means you can run the system at sustained full load without draining the battery.

We have a handful of other refinements too. We’re now using the 2nd Gen Webcam that we first introduced last year on Framework Laptop 13. We’ve reoptimized the geometry of the CNC aluminum Top Cover to increase rigidity. We’ve also updated the modular keyboards in two ways. First, we’ve adjusted the firmware behavior to prevent the system from waking if keys are triggered while the lid is closed. That change is also coming soon as a firmware update for all current Framework Laptop 16 keyboards. Second, we’ve brought in the new keyboard artwork from Framework Laptop 12 and 13, meaning most keyboard options have no Windows logo, for all of the Linux users out there. We also have one keyboard option with a Copilot logo in case that’s something you want.

We spent the last two years digging into customer and press feedback on Framework Laptop 16 and finding every way we could to improve it. We go more into the product and development process in the launch video we posted today on our YouTube channel. We also shared a video digging into some of the ideas and prototypes we explored but couldn’t land this generation. If you have questions on either of these or any other part of Framework Laptop 16, we’re hosting a livestream on YouTube and Twitch at 8:45 PT on Aug 26th. You can also try our full set of new products hands-on at PAX West in Seattle from Aug 29 to Sept 1 and Rails World in Amsterdam from Sept 4 to 5. You can check out all of our upcoming events here.

In addition to launching the new Framework Laptop 16 today, we’re reducing the pricing on the original generation, now starting at $1,299 USD. We have limited quantities of the Ryzen 9 configurations remaining, but will keep the Ryzen 7 versions in production and available as a lower cost entry point to Framework Laptop 16.

As always, Framework Laptop 16 is available both pre-configured with Windows 11 and as a DIY Edition that you can assemble yourself, bringing your own memory, storage, and operating system, including Linux. Pre-orders are open now on the systems, the GeForce RTX 5070 Graphics Module, the Ryzen™ AI 300 Series-powered Mainboards, and the new 240W Power Adapter. We’re excited to see what you think of the new Framework Laptop 16!

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Quick question, given that the same panel is used, is the current FW16 panel getting recognized as “G-Sync Certified” as well? Or is a purchase of a new panel required to acquire that certification?

There was no mention of the case sagging being solved. Was that problem on the radar with the update? It is a showstopper problem for me.

Appears a firmware update would be needed per the Marketplace listing.

The 2nd Gen Display comes with updated firmware that enables G-Sync support.

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Ideally that update will get pushed out then.

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8 GB Vram …. Why Framework ? WHY ? **

:sob:

** I DO imagine the reasons behind this choice
but just … … just leave me alone ! T-T

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Not possible unfortunately.

The firmware is controlled by the display manufacturer and can’t be updated in the field. So if you want that, you need to buy the new generation.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIginPllRjc where Nirav talks about it.

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He explained that in the live stream…..

Do or do not the localized Framework 16 keyboards come with per-Key RGB support? On https://frame.work/de/en/laptop16 it states (bold markup by me):

Keyboard

Choose from a range of layouts and languages. Most include a Framework logo super key—no Windows logo in sight. Every Framework Laptop 16 Keyboard features per-key RGB lighting, 1.5mm key travel, and open-source QMK firmware for full reprogrammability.

But on the product page the hardware V2 is described as being identical to V1, just having a new firmware and modernized design.

I’ve looked again at the transcript of the live event and have not heard or seen anything explaining the 8 GB limitation… That is a crazy choice in my opinion with such high resolution panel.
The 30~40 % framerate increase from this new card is mostly due to the frame generation from blackwell architecture, not pure raw power e.g. rasterisation. Eventually the 7700S will be catching up some more fps the further the drivers are getting refined with the FSR4 implementation. So, it does not like to be a proper upgrade to me, especially from an AI oriented usage perspective.

I don’t believe this is the case - without either using upscaling or frame gen, and at same power limit (100w) I believe the 5070 laptop should be 50%+ faster than the 7700s. That said, it’s a little weird they wouldn’t offer 5080m or 5090m unless Nvidia wouldn’t sell them dies since I believe both would tgp down under 100w.

The Q&A live stream explained that the 5070 had the right size for the existing rear module, and hit both the thermal sweet spot and the 100W TGP target. But it only comes with 8GB RAM.

He also showed how it may be possible to add more circuitry if you made the rear module thicker, but it wouldn’t be good ergonomically.

Maybe a future graphics generation can improve on this.

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It’s one of the first questions in the Q&A video (2:51):

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Will it be possible to modify pre-orders (e.g. changing expansion cards etc.) up until some point, or are pre-orders final unless canceled?

Although the FL16 7840/7940HS’s sustained TDP is officially 45W, users have been reporting 54W sustained after switching to PTM7958 without using ryzenadj. Will it be the same for FL16 AI 300 series?

I am wondering if they looked into any other workarounds for it. The Framework 16 already had a big booty, I wonder if it can be extended out another centimeter or something to fit in a module with higher memory.

I think people in general are just tired of 8GB cards. The GTX 980M with 8GB of VRAM launched in 2014, more than a decade ago. The GTX 1070 mobile had 8GB of VRAM in 2016. The RX480 from AMD launched in 2016 as a mid range card with 8GB of VRAM. We have just been stuck at this point for so long that I cannot believe that something like 12GB isn’t the starter at this point, and I think that is the point of frustration for most. It is like how we were stuck on 4 core CPUs being the norm for something like a decade before AMD broke through the mold with Ryzen.

Looking through the modules/parts up for pre-order, is the current dgpu upgradeable via swapping the cover and fans, or will purchasing an entirely new dgpu be required?

With the new Mainboards, has there been any discussion behind the scenes on a case for the 16 boards? They’ve got far more complexity than a 13 board and its needs, so I’m not entirely surprised there’s not one simultaneously announced, but I am curious if I need to start modeling my own attempts if I plan on upgrading.

We’re not selling the graphics module board this generation, you would need to purchase the new graphics module.

“We’ve reoptimized the geometry of the CNC aluminum Top Cover to increase rigidity.”