Laptop charging via Type-C, Caldigit TS4 compatibility, Windows modern standby

  • Is it possible to expect, that Framework 16 would charge via Type-C connector (for instance via Caldigit TS4)?

  • How good compatibility is expected with Caldigit TS4 docking station?

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    As far as I know, Framework 13 supports Windows Modern Standby. Would Framework 16 also have support for this power model?

Thank you for explanations.

  • The framework 16 only charges via USB-C so there is no problem there. However it only provides up to 98W, so if you were to use the optional GPU and CPU at the same time, your Laptop would slowly discharge as it uses more power than the dock provides. The Framework PSU supplies 180W.

  • I don’t know if we got official confirmation for this yet, but everyone expects the Framework 16 to support USB4 with PCIe tunneling. So it should work with the TS4 dock.

  • Didn’t here anything about that so far

The TS4 is designed to use both the DP tunnels TB4 hosts offer. This way you can get a 2nd monitor. Since AMD only seems to support a single DP tunnel (and this is being obfuscated behind just saying “USB4” without much details), you will only get a single monitor directly out of the TS4.
(TB4) Docks with builtin MST-Hub would thus be much more suited for multiple monitors. Although that will loose you Adaptive Sync support. AMD just supports less than Intel in this regard. Other than that AMDs USB4 implementation supports mostly the same as Intel, so the rest should work. With AMD CPUs with integrated USB4, if the device has USB4, you will be getting all of AMDs USB4 functionality, which so far there has only been a single implementation across 6000 and 7000 mobile CPUs.

But further investigations into how exactly AMDs and Intels USB4 implementations differ would be warranted, there are far too few people looking into this (and publishing their results).

AMD basically does not have good public specs. Intel has those and there, the H-CPUs support both S3 and modern standby, so it is the board manufacturers choice, even though the Dies are identical to P-CPUs that only support modern standby (together with U and Y series).
With AMD there is also only a single Die in this family, so the same Die as the U variant. There has only been some fuzzy information that AMD also removed support for S3 for notebooks (LTT for example), but nothing trustworthy enough to know whether they are following Intel closely on this or not. So far the 6000 and 7000 mobile CPUs have not been brought to the desktop, where the boards will only support S3 for now.

On the other hand, since the architecture for modern standby and S3 is quite different when it comes to waking up and stuff like lid-opening, fingerprint sensor etc. my guess is the FW16 will use modern standby, because it will be much closer to how the FW13 (Intel) works, which is not wired to work with S3.

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Did you mean removed S3?

Yep, good catch. That’s what happens when you change the sentence a few times… I corrected it above

Sorry for the late response. I have the upcoming Intel version of FW 16 in mind (not AMD).

Then you know more than most.

There are still things unclear with respect to the FW16 AMD release and as far as I know, there are no confirmations that an Intel version will be released. Let alone when…