Potential future display preferences:

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I have a Wacom One CTL-672. I don’t know such things existed!

Of course, I should know, given Microsoft Surface Stylus . But those uses batteries, so there you go.

And also, because I already have a Wacom One, I don’t necessarily need another one even if it’s built-in and more cool. If we are going to have EMR at least make the laptop a 2-in-1 (which will be problem if you want good performance + cooling)
We can make the screen rotate like the old Thinkpad X220, Dell Latitude XT2 and Hp Elitebook.

Those are absolutely insane. You do have to live with a massive chin and potentially a “knee” behind the bottom half of the hinge, but you can have as thicc a chassis you desire.

Yes, the hinge isn’t the most strongest and they do wear out somewhat quicker than a traditional hinge, but the cost is absolute miniscule if you can replace it yourself and is something I am willing to pay to own one, if one ever existed.

GPD P3 also have such a hinge and is one of the killer-features for me to consider.

I am currently owning a Fujitsu Lifebook T936, and the wacom 2K EMR display on that device is fantastic. With a correct battery-less EMR stylus(I got mine for like 10 bucks on Taobao), you can get a 1024 levels pressures on the pen tip and 512 pressures on the eraser.

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For people possibly wanting a higher-refresh display, has anyone actually tried making a custom resolution with a refresh rate greater than 60Hz?

(just because a display’s EDID is configured to 60Hz at max doesn’t mean it can’t actually run at higher rates - I’ve successfully ran 60Hz laptop displays upwards of 90+Hz without any dropped frames)

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One of my classmates have one of those cheap gaming laptops. The panel was a 60Hz but the manufacturer “overclocked” it and claimed (90Hz) and higher.

Two months after using it the display is … well it basically was fried and the 90Hz is reduced to blinking at 1Hz. He sent angry messages to the manufacturer and they sent him a proper 90Hz panel at a small charge.
I think there is a max rate that the internal circuitry can run at. Running at higher than factory risk putting unexpected strain on components and break stuff.

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A 50% overclock sounds exceedingly lucky, most I’ve heard is overclocking displays to 75hz or so, I have no personal experience with it tho

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I would have been very interested if your classmate actually ran and passed a frame-skipping test as, in my… gosh maybe a decade now? of running custom refresh rates on both desktop and laptop LCDs, I’ve never had such an issue occur.

The only teeny-tiny issue I’ve ran into is that my HP DM1 laptop is able to run at higher refresh rates the warmer it is; so if it’s a cold boot in the middle of winter, anything above 75Hz usually gives visual corruption until the laptop warms up more. But in summer I can “cold” boot straight to 90Hz without issue (the absolute max I’ve gotten it to is 100Hz with custom timings).

I’m just shooting in the dark here, but I would totally believe that the problem occurred because the panel actually wasn’t running at a true 90Hz+ and was skipping frames. I recall some sold-as-overclockable monitors with Monoprice’s branding that in actuality skipped frames when overclocked.

I’ll be honest, the two laptops I’ve managed to run at 90+Hz may have been using TN panels (one of them definitely was, but the other, if it is a TN, is definitely one of the better TNs), and TN is definitely known for its greater ability to hit higher refresh rates.

I’ve not been able to run any other laptops at greater-than-60Hz refresh rates simply because, well, the hardware was too old to even work with custom refresh rates (though I’d be interested in seeing if the newer Crocus Linux driver could change that for my three Intel 965GMA laptops…and I just realized that the ATI 3200-powered Gateway laptop that I mentioned in the “AMD CPUs please” thread obviously would be able to support custom refresh rates, so I should try it on that as well).

Desktop monitors I find to more commonly max out at 75Hz.

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As a guy that fixes these things I’d settle for just more robust panels. Nothing more dull than a cracked screen.

Any suggestions on that? I genuinely can’t think of a way to create more robust panels except by using gorilla glass or using some sort of protective case like an otterbox

Dunno. I leave tech folks to sort that out. I just know they break too damn easy for the average clumsy user. Better surrounds wouldn’t hurt for a start.

People can carry a few extra grams. Not all of us are feeble.

Not sure there would be much point. What I’ve noticed after a short time with mine is there is a lot of ghosting / trails on moving images even compared to my slow Dell U3014 IPS display. Upping refresh wouldn’t improve the image.

My main interest is for the smoothness and, technically, blur would actually help in that regard.

(see also: AV enthusiasts complaining about “stutter” with 24fps content on OLED TVs due to the insanely-quick pixel response time, especially on the 2018 and older models due to a lack of quality black-frame insertion, and no I don’t mean telecine judder either as all OLED TVs handle 24Hz input without issue (as long as you didn’t use BFI which didn’t even exist before the 2018 models) as that was something solved before OLED TVs were generally available)

For a similar reason, I’m a bit OCD about making the refresh rate a multiple of video frame rates and sometimes there’s a lower limit on displays - for example I find that 48Hz (for 24fps) is much more hit-and-miss than 50Hz (for 25fps and 50fps), so one sometimes needs to use 72Hz anyway.

…also my desktop is a dual-monitor setup with an LCD and CRT monitor so, if I really wanted motion clarity, I wouldn’t even bother with using an LCD (especially since I’m also a junkie regarding black levels and static contrast ratios which is another strength that OLED has over LCD).

There’s another hinge style that could accomplish a lot of the same goals: the middle-lid hinge, like this:

That’s an Acer ConceptD 3 Ezel pictured above but the more well-known machine with this is the Microsoft Surface Studio. I’m using a Sony Vaio Flip from 2013 that had this factor and really liked it. The hinge has lasted me over 8 years without issues.

(Unfortunately the glass screen broke in a stupid, tragic accident recently unrelated to the frame and when it comes to finding replacement parts, let’s just say Sony ain’t no Framework).


I like this design tremendously


I used to spend a lot of time on airliners in my former life. As in “I still have half a million frequent flier miles in my account from actually flying” a lot. That’s probably one of the worst case scenarios for productivity for a hundred reasons. I remember seeing a row with one giant ipad pro, one middle hinge laptop (couldn’t tell the brand or model), and a conventional hinge laptop in the window seat. Guess who was most comfortably getting work done on the cramped little tray table thing? Yep, the guy with the middle seat with the middle hinge thing. Sure he couldn’t see his hands under the screen, but a good touch typist shouldn’t need to anyway, right?


I’ve been that guy in the middle! When I bought the machine I figured it was the way of the future and am still a little surprised that it hasn’t at least kept parity with the 360-hinge style. Another advantage is that if you’re plugged into things on a desk you can flip to tablet mode for a quick signature or drawing without tangling up your cables.

To me the current screen is perfect. If anything, I would love to see touch screen and anti glare coating.

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this actually reminds me of an extremely extremely old toy
It’s a writing pad with a magnetic pen. You can write whatever you want on it, and it will stay there until you clear the drawings with a wiper
In that case the pen attracts the magnetic stuff, which then go to the top of the sheet and the wiper pulls them low

That is “magnetic-ink” before electronics were a thing. fancy.

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etch-a-sketch, aka ‘management laptops’


I believe Xavier was referring to a “Magna Doodle” rather than an etch-a-sketch.

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The current screen resolution is perfectly adequate; in fact it may be a little too high resolution. 2256x1504 @ 13.5" is ~202 DPI. There’s a point of diminishing returns where “more pixels =/= more better” and it’s getting close to that point. This is especially true if the operating system doesn’t natively support floating-point scaling i.e. it can only render the screen at 1x/2x, because something like 175% is processed as “0.75” internally and integer scaling can only use whole numbers. Windows 10 is/was notorious for its terrible resolution scaling system, let’s not make the situation worse simply because “imma want more screen resolution”.

Something like 90Hz or 120Hz refresh would be nice–assuming the pixel response time is as low as possible–but I’d honestly prefer a wider color gamut (something like 95%+ coverage DCI-P3 color space) and maybe support for something like HDR 400+. Knowing how expensive factory-calibrated studio monitors are, this is probably a tall ask and there should be optional packages for “High Refresh Rate”, “High Color Accuracy”, or “Both”. That would definitely make the Framework a compelling option for people who would ordinarily get a Macbook because of its color reproduction capabilities.