Real competition? ThinkPads scored 10/10 from iFixit

Specifically, that serviceable LPCAMM2.

I guess with Framework, you also get upgrade and repair. That thinkpad looks to only have the repair part.

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The upgrade only matters if the price is right. It frequently isn’t at retail. Buying second hand boards from others does make sense but that isn’t as common from what I can tell.

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Nice to see, but Lenovo (and the other laptop manufacturers, they’ve all been trying this) wouldn’t even be considering such a move if Framework hadn’t done it first. And if Framework went away, very likely all of the others would ditch repairability in a New York minute, since it’s much more profitable to them if their laptops aren’t repairable.

So even if this is competitive, I’ll stick with Framework, so long as they produce any machine that fits my needs.

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I am genuinely glad to see more manufacturers going this way. I think it benefits consumers and sustainability overall.

For me, there is still extra value from Framework over companies like HP, Lenovo, etc. I know you can “de-bloat” a machine, or just remove Windows and install Linux on a Thinkpad. But Framework doesn’t have any bloat, any adware, any accounts or subscriptions, any licensing agreements, etc. You just get the machine, and it’s yours.

If you get a Lenovo, assuming you don’t immediately format it and install Linux, you will be dealing with literal ads, data collection, and other such nonsense.

Don’t get me wrong, I currently own a Lenovo machine. It works well for what it is. But I still think, at least for the moment, Framework has a bit of a leg up, at least for me, over a lot of other manufacturers.

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Now if we could just get phones to go the same route the world would be at peace.

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10 out of 10?

Ifixit, what the hell in the bottom-right corner?
Sure, looks like a soldered down wifi module!

Did Lenovo improve things from the previous generation T-series? Absolutely! And it deserves a high score. But 10/10 with a soldered down wifi staring at us in your own pictures?

If you give them the highest possible score, then you are not giving proper encouragement to fix that glaring omission.

I don’t pretend that it’s easy to make everything replaceable while keeping things compact & maximizing battery life. But the score is repairability, not “balance of repairability, performance, esthetics, compactness”.

That said, I can’t express how much I love that they added replaceable USB-C/Thunderbolt ports! I’m typing this on an older T-series. Due to being popular business laptops & the frequent upgrade cycles of some large companies, they can be a such a good deal when couple years old that it’s hard to pass up.

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Really happy that repeatability is gaining traction. No one is truly winning if it’s just a single player game.

Saw that you can now get parts directly from Lenovo (previously, it was mostly eBaying):

Now I just need Framework to announce this year’s models, and along with some fixes (?)…

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Check out Murena Murena Smartphones – Murena – deGoogled phones and services I keep looking at these not only for repairability, but privacy as well.

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Rod

That’s cool. Thanks for the link.

Nice! If repairability and longevity become relevant decision-making categories for laptop-buyers, framework can only profit from that, even if a few more people might stay with the thinkpad.

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Yay lpcamm, but with you on the soldered wifi, ewww and it doesn’t even save that much space (hell there is a suspiciously 2230 sized area of no components around it)