[RESPONDED] An ode to Fedora Kinoite

For those who are not aware of Fedora Kinoite, I bring glad tidings and joy! I purchased an Arc A770 a few months back aware that Linux support would be Coming Soon :tm:. So I sat patiently waiting for Kernel 6.2 to drop in Fedora. Getting rather impatient, I checked to see when that might be happening…APRIL?! Oh hell no. I wasn’t going to wait that long! I rebased my deployment on Rawhide (which is supposed to be hella unstable as it is for development and testing with updates pushed out as soon as available essentially). Gotta say, I"m frickin loving Rawhide with Kinoite. The nature of an immutable distro makes running Rawhide so painless. All my apps are flatpaks so system updates don’t affect them and I trust the Fedora team not to push out an update that fundamentally breaks their own system files (unlike Windows). Every OS should be immutable, this is the future, I’m calling it right now.

I don’t care what Pop!OS brings to the table, nothing beats this…power of confidence knowing updates can’t hurt my flow. Rollbacks are just a single, easy command away, fixing all problems until bugs are fixed. Toolbox is new to me and I have to learn it today to install a program but other than that…man I can’t think of anything that the average user needs that isn’t available as a flatpak. Frickin great!

Isn’t Linux a joy? Everybody finds his own perfect setup.

For me, there is nothing that can beat a fast binary package manager with great build-tools for those private builds and a simple structure and way to debug issues, should they arise.

No need to tinker around with flatpak, appimages, snaps or whatever else is hype currently.

It’s good that we have an alternative to Mac OS X and Windows. Not only one, but thousands of them. For everyone there is something in the bag!

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Rollbacks are fantastic indeed!

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@Anachron Don’t get me wrong, I get the desire to go beyond Flatpaks. They aren’t limiting in the slightest…until they are. Having said that…Linux should move towards Flatpaks or something similar moving forward. It lessens the burden on devs to manage multiple flavors of the same file and penetrate every Linux distro. Linux has enough fragmentation as it is, and some of it even makes sense. I can understand why some don’t care for Systemd on a philosophical level and why some distros don’t use it. Some features should just be standard tho. However a distro wants to implement an immutable FS, they should do so. Keeping the root filesystem clean is just such a boon to users, even if they don’t realize it.

But yeah, I’ve been looking distro-hopping for so long…to find something that just…completes me in a way? Oh that feeling is unreal. I can tinker all I want now without fear of breaking something or leaving bits and pieces behind when I remove software. God I love it.

Welp, my faith is misplaced lol. Rawhide is awful. Good to know that I can expect Arc to just work once the kernel revision gets up to 6.2 tho.

Fedora 38 testing branch might be better for daily use while still getting bleeding edge updates.

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Sorry to hear that. But yeah, rawhide is going to be very rough.

I think as with any distro, Fedora 38 itself is going to be ROUGH for a month or so. Always good to not put brand new releases on workstation hardware.

I have never, ever had to do a reinstall because of updates on production hardware using this approach. Let the other guy be the beta tester on production hardware. My personal machines are extremely boring because of this approach - they just do their job.

On my testing machines, yeah, rawhide, new releases of Ubuntu, etc all will have to be nuked from orbit on occasion. My last job, without fail, every time a new distro release came out…the flood of support tickets came as well.

Best advice I can give anyone - keep it stable first. Fedora 37 is on its way to working really, really well. Lots of fixes have come in. 38 will be a clean sheet of paper. Stick with the older release for a few months and even then, tread lightly with new releases of any distro.

My two cents, others milage may vary. This is something that was told to me by a distro dev eons ago. Holds true to this very day.


Honestly I have found Fedora to be pretty flawless on release day…as long as the hardware is more than a year old. This is the first release that has not been completely smooth sailing for me, but I did not expect it to be. Over all it has been very stable after I updated past the i915 issues.

That’s true for any linux distribution, because the kernel works need at least a year to stabilize the for new hardware.

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That’s fair. :slight_smile:

Also true. :slight_smile:

37 was working fine, I was just terribly impatient and wanted the updated kernel. I’ve switched back to 37 and will be waiting impatiently for 6.2 to drop.


@GhostLegion thank you for recommending Fedora Kinoite 37 for the Framework. I’ve been using it, and I’m very happy with it.

The latest version of KDE (5.27) is included with Fedora Kinoite 37, which has greatly improved the hi-DPI support on the laptop. Additionally, the newish Linux kernel has ensured that my 12th gen Intel hardware works with my thunderbolt dock. I’ve been able to use fractional scaling with ease, which was a must-have for me.

I also wanted to highlight the uBlue project on GitHub. It helps you get started with any of the Silverblue distros. I used uBlue to get basic packages that make life easier, such as the intel-media-driver, which enables hardware-accelerated codecs. This project has made it much simpler for me to have a great out-of-the-box experience with Fedora Kinoite 37. The project’s website is ublue.it. And it saved me a bunch of time.

Thank you again for recommending this distribution - I recommend it to anyone else who is looking for a great Linux experience on their Framework laptop, today. In the near future, I think other distros will catch up. For example, The KDE spin of Fedora 38 and Kubuntu 23.04 will release with KDE 5.27. But if you want a good experience right now, Kinoite is the way to go. Kinoite has a better overall updating model. So if you can adapt to it’s workflows it’s probably the best OS.