[RESPONDED] Coreboot on the Framework Laptop

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The bios really should not have any impact on stuff like this.

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Like I said, I don’t trust stock bios or intel me being enabled. I am picky.

I am paranoid of stock bios and intel me. Both are crap.

That’s just how I am.

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I quite dislike the me too and remove it wherever practical (and often even where not XD) but that doesn’t change much about it’s presence having very little impact on gaming. As for the bios there may be an impact to some of the bios settings that may be different on coreboot than stock but those differences are likely not huge and editable.

My t480s with the me neutered played stellaris just fine and that is probably heavier than starcraft 2.

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I tried to reply to your comment to mention some things, but it seems the staff don’t like that it is directly related to the last tihng I said. Called it off topic and deleted it. Kind of makes

Well, I also want to use it for regular stuff too at some point. But in any case, I do recall asking them online once, if they could disable the intel me and bootguard.

They said they might disable intel me, but boot guard no. If I recall correctly.

That’s my memory anyhow.

I wonder if there’s any other backdoors in intel besides intel me.

I wonder if the stock bios itself has one too to be honest.

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You ever heard of pluton XD.

But in all seriousness, if you want a completely (as far as we can tell) backboxless system you may need to go back to the core2duo era unfortunately. Amd has got something like the me too so that’s not the solution either.

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Please keep this thread on topic. Off-topic posts may be removed/split into a separate post.

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Right… this is supposed to be about coreboot, sorry.

I wonder if they will end up hiring someone for the purpose of corebooting devices in the future. Both for intel and amd stuff in general.

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Chromebooks have never used legacy boot. The very first Chromebooks (~2011) used a heavily stripped down UEFI, and later devices have had a Linux bootloader directly embedded into coreboot (U-Boot on early devices, a minimal custom bootloader called depthcharge on all modern devices).
For some devices, Google provides unsupported “RW_LEGACY” builds of SeaBIOS or EDK2 to simplify dual-booting Chrome OS with another Linux distribution. The details of these builds vary by device, and their usage is generally discouraged, especially when not dual-booting.
Some distributions such as Debian and Alpine have packages providing support for simply using depthcharge. If you want to minimize attack surface, this is what I would recommend.

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Looks like it. Changes associated with framework on coreboot gerrit got a new reviewer with an official framework email. Who according to LinkedIn started working 2 months ago at framework.
But there aren’t any public changes yet in gerrit, and I guess it still a long way before proper coreboot support on frameworks.

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I know of this, don’t worry, I saw this long before you posted it :smiley:

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Wow, that’s amazing news! Is TPM also supported on the Azalea port?
As far as I get it that’s a requirement for secureboot / vboot2. Would it work out-of-the-box or are there Azalea specifics / other requirements for building up a trusted boot chain using coreboot on the Framework?

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Welcome, but also, never did understand the appeal of TPM.

Wheher it is in coreboot or not, tpm and verified boot were always a wonder.

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I also had a thought, is the AMD GPU blob still needed and/or functional in coreboot? And also, does framework plan to have coreboot roms available on their website after testing is sufficient? In addition to their other bioses i mean.

By the AMD GPU being needed, I meant for Gaming specifically.

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I saw this the other day, and immediately wondered about the implications for Core boot on Framework…

Any body have more of the back story, what this means going forward, etc?

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Means 2% of the world population has been “banned for life” from purchasing MALIBAL goods and services.

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Wouldn’t pay too much attention to these people, they’re clowns.
https://portal.malibal.com/kb/a1059/why-dont-you-offer-any-amd-processors-or-graphics/
https://portal.malibal.com/kb/a1058/why-dont-you-ship-to-texas/
https://portal.malibal.com/kb/a1060/why-dont-you-ship-to-germany/
https://portal.malibal.com/kb/a1061/why-dont-you-ship-to-poland/
They banned shipping to Germany, Poland, Austria, Liechtenstein, and Texas and banned using AMD products all because of a bad experience with a couple of firms and people lmfao.

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Every interaction I’ve had with MrChromebox has been great and I’ve tossed money at his donation link. Malibal would need to post full transcripts for me to take these wild complaints seriously.

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“We no longer ship to country X due to the actions of person Y” → now that’s the level of stupidity I haven’t seen in a while… even my 13yo niece is better at dealing with her anger and other emotions :wink:

Their linked blog entry seems like it was written by a frustrated high-school kid. The case of 3mdeb/Poland is the most ridiculous: “the peasants from Poland didn’t agree to our slave-labor conditions, so we banned the whole country for life”. LOLz.

Also according to many of the ppl from this reddit thread, malibal’s slogan should basically be "banned for life"™ :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It amazes me that someone so stupid was able to get funding to start a laptop company… I hope it turns out intel also has a coreboot engineer, so that malibal will ban them also ;-]

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They are legitimately insane it seems. Thank you so much for linking them

I read through their full terms and services to find out that you’re not allowed to use any part of their site or print out any part of their site for the purpose of suing them or as part of any litigation. That’s probably not enforceable.

To directly quote:

No print out or electronic version of any part of the Site or its contents may be used by you in any litigation or arbitration matter whatsoever under any circumstances.

If you use google to find their site, you’re banned.

If you use an IPhone to use their site, you’re banned.

if you use an android phone to use their site, you’re banned.

Sign up with gmail? Banned

If you use google chrome, safari, a macbook, apple music, google maps, apple pay, or any other google or apple product with their site you guessed it, banned.

Anyway isn’t it bad that the coreboot devs are gatekeeping access to open source as stated in their blogpost. Obviously, as they state, one should work diligently to ensure access to the ideals of malibal.

I’m going to go out on a limb here but I don’t think this means anything for the future of coreboot on framework laptops.

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